Chi kung and fruit diet

[White Eagle]

it is worth noting though that we are not cavemen, and humans have undergone thousands of years of adaption to an agriculturally based diet, to the point where we can't even eat uncooked meat.

bhuddism has always frowned on eating meat

[Dorit]

So many diets existing ... to my opinion they exist because we have lost our awareness of our needs. As with medicine we take in what the doctor / the diet founder tells us. But we do not ask ourselves what we really need (physically and mentally).

And how can we begin to regain our awareness of ourselves?
With Chi Kung that is such a wonderful possibility.

Everyone will have quite different needs. But fulfilling our needs we do not eat "diets" but food - and we do not take medicine for diminishing a symptom, but Chi Kung or other goods for healing ourselves completely.

Therefore, one will find he needs meat to be fully nourished, the second will eat eggs and milk with his fruits and vegs, and the third will eat only fruit - and some will "eat" only Chi and nothing else, and will be healthy. (Yes, this is possible.)
It is all our view, perspective, belief. But it must be sincere and deep - and not based on what others say.

(My mother - she was a vegetarian for about 10 years, only biological fruit and vegs and cereals and pure oils, but low fat (because of cholesterol and too much weight, in her eyes).
She died of leucemia, AML. - I am sure she did not nourish herself well, and she had a severe inner problem she could not solve.)

Therefore, to me - I like eating , and I do not like diets, but I love being free to choose what I want to eat. Chi Kung helps a lot with it, since there is no longing for chocolate (I love it but one slice is ok) or Junk food. Of course I am reasonable to follow advices like "drinking warm beverages or eating soup in winter" - but I feel free doing so, and it does me good. It is no diet.

These are, of course, my personal thoughts, based on my own experiences.

Kind regards,
confermezza

[ErykSD]

Important to note we are not cavemen... lol

Whatever. I'll also agree to the eat everything in moderation. All I know is if you want muscle on your bones, eat meat.

[Neil Kelson]

Your body needs meat... there are nutrients in meat which you won't get from solely eating fruits or veggies.

Hopefully, this thread is not really a vehicle for e.g. meat v/s non-meat diets. However, I think it should be noted that the statement made about the body needing meat is simply not defensible. Eat meet if you want, but do not do so because you think that you must.

[Neil Kelson]

Here is a great book on the Paleo Diet written by Robb Wolf. All of his research is based on university-published research papers.

It's also worth noting that, In terms of scientific research, the consumption of meat - especially red and processed meat - is now being linked with increased risk for certain cancers. For probably the best review of the scientific evidence to date, go to the website dietandcancerreport.org which has links to the WCRF/AICR Expert Report "Food, Nutrition, Physical Activity and the Prevention of Cancer: a Global Perspective" as well as the companion report, "Policy and Action for Cancer Prevention." These reports have been prepared by a large number of experts and aggregate results from the relevant research literature - a huge undertaking - using an evidence-based methodology. The relevant expert panels also issue updates on specific cancers that review more recent research results since the last major report. This sort of scientific effort is huge and the conclusions drawn have excellent prospects of transcending an individual's view based on personal bias or an idiosyncratic interpretation of the scientific literature.

See for example, the latest update on colorectal cancer at www.wcrf.org/cancer_research/cup/index.php , which re-affirmed earlier findings of convincing evidence that physical activity protects against colon cancer; and that red meat, processed meat, alcohol (in men), as well as body fatness and abdominal fatness, are causes of colorectal cancer.

[Neil Kelson]

Of course, it should also be pointed out that scientific thinking can change in the light of new evidence etc. As far as Shaolin Wahnam is concerned, we certainly hope, for example, that more evidence for the existence and functions of chi continue to emerge. And I guess if you are a fan of eating lots of red meat or drinking plentiful alcohol, then you will be hoping that the real risks to health will also turn out to be a bit different from the current scientific consensus :-)

[Andrew Smile]

Diet

I must disagree with the general opinion here.

If your energy is flowing and balanced, for example from years of practicing high-level Chi Kung, you can eat and drink what you like, in whatever quantity you like.

You can also ingest poison without being adversely affected.

However, much as with iron shirt / cotton shirt / Golden Bell type training, it all depends on how well your Chi is flowing, how balanced you are, as to how much 'damage' you can endure.

A high-functioning individual can ingest a poison that would severely injure another, while another could not even deal with dairy products well.

And as always, in a similar way that a high-velocity bullet would 'pierce' Golden Bell, so would nerve-agents and extreme poisons be too much for anyone to ingest or even approach.

However there is theoretically no limit to Chi development, so theoretically no limit to Golden Bell or poison intake.

Just in case there are any people reading this who are tempted, I'll add: DO NOT INGEST POISON; THE CLUE'S IN THE NAME

[Maxime]

Theory versus Reality

Dear Andrew,

If your energy is flowing and balanced, for example from years of practicing high-level Chi Kung, you can eat and drink what you like, in whatever quantity you like.

Completely wrong. What experience of high level Chi Kung do you have? With years and years of high level Chi Kung, you simply cannot drink and eat what you like, especially in whatever quantity (!!!) that you like, without developping side-effects. It may take a couple of years (instead a couple of days or weeks for other people), but adverse side-effetcs will appear.

Your Spleen and Stomach energy systems will simply not be able to cope with it.

However there is theoretically no limit to Chi development, so theoretically no limit to Golden Bell or poison intake.

Theory makes you live in a nice dream. In traditionnal arts, practical experience comes first; very often experience shakes up your pre-conceived ideas and wakes you up from the theoritical dream you were sleeping in.

Best,

[Andrew Smile]

Diet

Dear Maxime,

I make a point not to write about anything I haven't experienced myself. I went from being unable to digest dairy products to being able to eat or drink anything I wanted after years of Shen Gong. I am also able to take in poison - for example copper sulphate solution - without the normal, expected effect.

Just because you've had a certain experience, don't assume you know how everyone else in the world reacts to food. You are trapped in a belief about food that is limiting to you.

[Maxime]

Hello Andrew,

I am certainly not trapped in a belief. I am not unwise to the extent of making a generality out of my own experience alone. I also trust what I saw in real life and the 2500 years empirical knowledge of Chinese Medicine masters. To make it short, I have seen many disasters due to wrong diet.

If you eat 1 kg poison every day for 10 years I seriously doubt that something good will come out of it . This is not being trapped in belief, but simply common sense.

On the same approach, if you eat 10 enormous meals a day, with lots of sauce and coffee, and sugar, and so on I am certain that you will have some serious health issues over a certain period of time. This is not being trapped in belief, but simply common sense.

For a high level Chi Kung practitionner, to be able once a while to have a huge food excess, or to take a chopper blade strike, or to ingest a slight dose of soft poison, is not a surprise and nothing special.

But over-eating the wrong food over an extended period of time simply is the same as shotting a bullet in one's belly. In the end, can you eat 10 kg cyanure?

I am also able to take in poison - for example copper sulphate solution - without the normal, expected effect.

Maybe not the 'normal, expected effect', but something else abnormal will appear unexpectidly elsewhere over a period of time, if you take this regularly (which makes no sense to me, why should I poisonned myself?).

High level Chi Kung or not, if you want to lift a 100.000kg weight, can you do it? NO. Theory versus Reality.

All the best,

[Dorit]

By the way ... there is this old saying: "You are what you eat".

[Andrew Smile]

Diet

We are all trapped in one belief or another about our limitation, otherwise we would be enlightened.

Western medicine is often accused - rightly - of being based on symptoms. i.e. we will study cancer - which is an effect, not a cause - to try and learn more about it. This is patently false thinking as similar effects can have different causes.

Chi Kung and Chinese Medicine are also symptom-based. The ‘cause’ of illness is often described as ‘yin-yang disharmony’, but this is actually still an effect, although it is nearer the true cause than the Western approach and thus generally more effective.

Thus 2500 years or however long the Chinese Medicine Masters studied is irrelevent as there is no truth but what we believe to be true. And the people who created those systems had certain beliefs which informed the effectiveness of those systems. In short, Chinese medicine and Chi Kung only work if you believe they do. Since there are probably tens or hundreds of millions of people who believe they work then they will work. Even if you have an open mind going into it; you can still be affected by the ‘group think’ going on around the system or method, without being aware of it.

But the real cosmic truth is: we don’t need any system of belief as we are already perfect, enlightened beings; we are God.

The true cause of all our ills is failure to acknowledge our own divinity.

Regarding your other points:

Eating 1kg of poison every day for 10 years ... not worth responding to.

If you are in a balanced state you simply cannot eat more food than you require, as it is repugnant to you. However you may eat only ice cream for 6 months if you like with no ill effects at all - unless you have been conditioned to believe it is ‘bad’ for you.

As for lifting a 100, 000kg - true cosmic reality is that we are infinite spiritual beings, or rather we are THE infinite spiritual being, God. So if we believe we can do such a thing, and ... here is the important bit ... can also block out every other persons negative thinking towards us doing it, then it is no more difficult than lifting 1g.

The Reality you are talking about is the illusion that we have created, to live out our lives.

Oh, and we are not what we eat, rather we are what we believe.

[Antonius]

In short, Chinese medicine and Chi Kung only work if you believe they do.

I disagree. My wife is an acupuncturist, and she deals with disbelievers every day. These are people who have tried absolutely everything. They come to her expecting acupuncture to fail just like everything else. But it doesn't.

[Maxime]

The true cause of all our ills is failure to acknowledge our own divinity.

Andrew, your words can be wrapped in the utmost arcane or mystical coat, in the end they help nobody, including yourself. This mystical theory might be true, in reality it gives NO solutions to those who suffer. It only increases the level of mind confusion and mislead the people, making them lose their precious time along the way. That was the meaning of my first post's title: 'Theory versus Reality'

But it is certainly more easy to talk than to walk. The world of internal arts are full of people who indulge themselves in sounding mysterious and using words that go far beyond their own understanding.

You make no relevant points. In fact most of what you said is either out of common sense, or denied by empirical traditional experience.

Andrew, you are probably a nice person, and I wish you good luck in your own path, which is not mine.

All the best,

[Matt F.]

I make a point not to write about anything I haven't experienced myself.

As for lifting a 100, 000kg - if we believe we can do such a thing, and ... here is the important bit ... can also block out every other persons negative thinking towards us doing it, then it is no more difficult than lifting 1g.

Hi, Andrew!

Can you elaborate a bit more about your experience with this?

Thanks!

-Matt