Chi kung and fruit diet

[Andrew Smile]

Diet

Antonius - the force of your or your wifes belief will enable the disbelievers to heal themselves. If someone is ill, they are disempowering themselves. They would rather believe in yourself or your wife or acupuncture than believe in themselves. Alternatively, perhaps your wife actually has the gift of empowering her patients to believe in themselves; but it is not the acupuncture but their own self-belief that enables the healing.

Maxime - I have attempted to write in a clear, concise way. I certainly have no desire to make myself seem important. A theory is nothing unless it can be proven. And I have proven my ‘theory’ many times on myself and then others. You actually are attempting to insult me when you say, ‘It is certainly more easy to talk than to walk’ You are too sure of yourself. My teaching is about ‘no-theory’ rather than theory, anyway.

Why don’t you ask Grandmaster Wong about my definition of the cause of our ills? Perhaps he will explain it in a way you can accept.

People are afraid of their own power. People will turn to a system or method and give power to that system or method. It is not the system that heals; but the persons own realisation of their perfect health which is part of their own divinity. This is not an arcane or mystical ‘coat’ but a Cosmic Truth.

Matt F. - I think your response is an attempt to belittle me. Yet you carry the title of Sifu?

[Antonius]

Antonius - the force of your or your wifes belief will enable the disbelievers to heal themselves. If someone is ill, they are disempowering themselves. They would rather believe in yourself or your wife or acupuncture than believe in themselves. Alternatively, perhaps your wife actually has the gift of empowering her patients to believe in themselves; but it is not the acupuncture but their own self-belief that enables the healing.

Care to explain how acupuncture works just as well on animals?

[Matt F.]

Matt F. - I think your response is an attempt to belittle me. Yet you carry the title of Sifu?

No, Andrew.

You said that you only speak from your own experience. And then you said, "here is the important bit..." as if passing on a little known secret. That leads me to believe it's something you have experience with. If you do, please share some more because it sounds interesting.

If you do not have direct experience with this, that is fine. But you should make it clear that this is your theory rather than your experience.

Either way, it is an interesting concept. I know I have seen in myself, how much the doubt of others can creep into my head and make me question myself and my direction. Luckily for me, my Shaolin training has made this a lot more clear to me, as well as a lot easier to avoid.

-Matt

[AlexBaranosky]

I am a little confused. Doesn't Sifu teach that if you practice our chi-kung you can eat whatever you like?

Sifu has never gone so far to say that you can ingest poison, but he has said many times (I thought ) that if you practice Shaolin Cosomos Chi-kung, then you don't have to worry yourself with eating particular foods, as the chi-kung would ensure smoothly flowing energy.



Best,
Alex

[Chiahua]

Hi Alex, I think Sihing Maxime's quote answers your question.

you simply cannot drink and eat what you like, especially in whatever quantity (!!!) that you like, without developping side-effects.

Sifu is fond of using diabetes as an example. If you eat cake to excess, then a body with good qi circulation would secrete the appropriate amounts of enzymes to combat the flood of sugar to the blood stream. If your body does not have good qi flow, then the secretion is interrupted and you might develop diabetes. However, habitually exposing yourself to high levels of sugar at some point is going to overwhelm your system depending on your constitution. Someone with more powerful qi flow might resist it for longer, but the system is going to give at some point.

The flip side of it might be that your body might adjust "your tastes" to meet the body's need. For example, someone who needs more protein might feel a greater hunger for meat. A person practicing qigong might be more in tune with these adjustments. Like people who find it easier to quit smoking with qigong practice, a qigong adept ought to find their ideal homeostatic balance point more quickly.

[Zhang Wuji]

I am a little confused. Doesn't Sifu teach that if you practice our chi-kung you can eat whatever you like?

This is what I personally think: Sifu's students must take his words in context and exercise common sense, if not wisdom. "Whatever you like" could also include faeces or iron nails, if the student is so inclined. The qigong we practice is meant to liberate us, and to restore our health to the original healthy state. It is not a free licence to eat junk, smoke, or over-indulge in hard liquour.

Chia Hua cited Sifu's example of a diabetes patient. This is especially relevant to me, since my father who had attended Sifu's course, is a diabetes patient. However, quite aside from irregular practice, he took Sifu's words to the irrational extreme and ate whaever he wanted, even stuff which even I, in my excellent health, would not go near.

I can pretend that my qigong practice makes me a superman, and sleep 3 hours a day, eat pizzas late into the night, and deliberately breathe in polluted air. I may (or may not) last longer than someone who has not practiced high level qigong, but I would be abusing the qigong passed down by the past masters who created this qigong for our health and spiritual cultivation.

[Maxime]

You actually are attempting to insult me when you say, ‘It is certainly more easy to talk than to walk’

Andrew, you can eat and resist to poison yet you feel insulted by some simple words? By the way, first I never mince words and second I have something else to do than attempting to insult someone I don't even know. So please relax and don't feel attacked. In the end, you come and open yourself to an internet forum, so as such you must be prepare to some form of constructive criticism (different from insulting, right?).

Why don’t you ask Grandmaster Wong about my definition of the cause of our ills? Perhaps he will explain it in a way you can accept.

I perfectly accept 'your' definition, which is not yours by the way but a Cosmic Truth announced by many past masters. But such kind of internet preaching helps nobody and is impractical. Those are just nice words.

People are afraid of their own power. People will turn to a system or method and give power to that system or method. It is not the system that heals; but the persons own realisation of their perfect health which is part of their own divinity.

I agree. But people also need a structure to evolve safely towards their liberation. I certainly don't want my students to injest poison to test their health level. Fighting against methods or systems is nothing more than an expression of the ego. In practice everybody needs help even if in theory we already have the tools to help ourselves. Coming forcefully with bold statements is not enough to help the people.

Same mountain, different apporaches maybe...

Ok I will retire from this thread now, as I feel that we will reach nothing prolific.

Andrew I wish you the best in your path.

Best regards,

[Anton S.]

I am also able to take in poison - for example copper sulphate solution - without the normal, expected effect.

Dear Andrew,

you state some interesting and provocative opinions and seem generally to be an intelligent man.

But what is the purpose of intake of copper-sulfate-solution?

Where do I find some information on Shen Gong? (except: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaolin_Showdown)

Kind regards,
Anton.

[Andrew Smile]

Diet

Antonius - animals are connected to the mass thinking of the human race as well as their own instincts, domesticated animals less so. Animals are privy to all the beliefs of mankind and are also affected by an alpha presence, such as a human owner or an animal 'pack leader' or random information from race memory. Thus, it is the same mechanism as is at work in a human subject. Animals act in response to mankind's thoughts and feelings whether they, the animals, are wild or domesticated; animals are effectively 'blank tablets' controlled by an alpha presence, mankind's race memory, or the animal's instincts. (Made up of learned behaviour and animal 'species history'). Animals "character's" are usually the result of anthropormophising or the owner expressing a hidden part of themselves through their pet or their pet mimicking responses that will please their owner.

Matt. F. - it was Maxime, not myself who started talking about lifting 100,000 kg weights; I just responded to his - possibly facetious - example. I have direct experience lifting lighter weights than 100,000 kg, but they would still be considered unusually heavy for someone who's not specially trained for years. It is 'the important bit' because mass thinking and popular opinion, race memory, whatever you call it contains all the misinformation about illness, poverty, pain and suffering: concepts created by mankind due to it's fear of its own power. Thus to perform 'extraordinarily' it is necessary to become immune to the opinions of others and believe in yourself as much as possible. This 'race memory' is in all of us. Effectively illness etc. is 'fear data' that we allow to affect our body instead of the truth. Illness does not exist, other than as information; the trouble comes when this information is empowered by our belief.

Alex - yes, Grandmaster Wong has said that. I remember reading a post or a passage in one of his books, concerning a cure for diabetes, where a woman who had undergone a miraculous change thanks to G.W. said she was still rationing her sugar intake and he said something like: "If you have to worry about your sugar intake then you're not cured." She stopped rationing it, and was still fine. The point is not to be ruled by beliefs about food as being 'good' or 'bad'. If you stop judging food, you will find yourself eating what you enjoy and your body - which is your servant - will thrive on it.

Maxime - I didn't say I was insulted, I said you are attempting to do it. Also, some of the comments aimed at my posts were derisive and passive aggressive, not constructive. Also, my definition is mine, which I arrived at through direct experience and self-teaching. My 'nice words' have been backed-up by demonstration and action. Some kind of structure is required for change, in that you have to 'do something' different, otherwise everything would remain as it was. I am saying that structure should be minimal. That's one of the reasons why Chi Kung is more effective than Tai Chi at self-healing; it is often simpler and therefore you give away less of your personal power in doing it: it's more about you. Finally, far from 'fighting against method' being Ego, it is precisely the opposite: method is the Ego, the false authority, you kow-tow to, to assuage your fear of your own power.

Anton S. - it isn't sensible to drink it as it can be fatal, but as I'm largely self-taught, I had to find a way of proving to myself that my thoughts and feelings weren't the ravings of a madman! I 'knew' I'd be okay before I did it, but it was the culmination of a long period of healing where I started off only being able to eat 6 different foods. I wouldn't do it again, but at the time it served to prove to me what I was discovering about myself was real. It's no different from breaking a pair of chopsticks on my throat or lifting an extremely heavy weight without training for a long time, it's just a party-trick, but a demonstration of the excellent state of my digestion, or throat or strength.

[Chiahua]

I can pretend that my qigong practice makes me a superman, and sleep 3 hours a day, eat pizzas late into the night, and deliberately breathe in polluted air. I may (or may not) last longer than someone who has not practiced high level qigong, but I would be abusing the qigong passed down by the past masters who created this qigong for our health and spiritual cultivation.

I think this is a great point, thank you Sihing. Some folks who look to learn internal arts seem to do so for frivolous or base reasons. Being about to withstand bullets---why? Being able to light paper on fire with your fingers---what for? I am reminded by the Mopai threads, and I try to figure out what the allure those abilities hold for some of the seekers.

[Molly]

I'm not getting too involved in this. As my siheng Maxime said I don't think we'll reach anything prolific. This whole thing is a simple matter of common sense. You can eat a specific diet for a specific purpose (fruit, GI cleanse, whatever), and give yourself a boost. You can eat a normal, balanced diet where you enjoy an occasional drink, cheeseburger, greasy goodness, practice qigong, and still maintain health. It's not a license to eat McDonalds everyday. Even if you do maintain health, it won't be at the same level of a balanced diet. It's that simple.
Andrew, if you started out only being able to eat 6 foods and were able to expand that as a result of your qigong, then that's great. But isn't that proof enough of the effectiveness? I guess I just don't see why you need to drink poison to prove a point.
It reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons where they're at a county fair. Homer says to Marge "See? And you said they couldn't deep-fry my shirt!" Marge replies, " I never said they couldn't, I said YOU shouldn't"

[Andrew Smile]

Diet

Anton S - you asked about information on Shen Gong. I used that phrase to describe what I do, my approach, which is unique as far as I know. One definition of it is, "Mind-Heart-Spirit Work". So the answer is: me, if you want more information.

Molly - I love the Simpsons. Regarding the CuSo4 I was younger, I had spent many years ill and weak ... I wanted to be sure I could trust my intuition.

I'd just like to say that - as I'm sure everybody reading this knows - standing in meditation after doing Chi Kung exercise(s) will put you in-touch with the Cosmic Truth about yourself. I have the utmost respect for Shaolin Cosmos Chi Kung and for Grandmaster Wong.

[Alex]

eat pizzas late into the night

Nobody can withstand this punishment lol

[Matt F.]

Matt. F. - it was Maxime, not myself who started talking about lifting 100,000 kg weights; I just responded to his - possibly facetious - example. I have direct experience lifting lighter weights than 100,000 kg, but they would still be considered unusually heavy for someone who's not specially trained for years. It is 'the important bit' because mass thinking and popular opinion, race memory, whatever you call it contains all the misinformation about illness, poverty, pain and suffering: concepts created by mankind due to it's fear of its own power. Thus to perform 'extraordinarily' it is necessary to become immune to the opinions of others and believe in yourself as much as possible. This 'race memory' is in all of us. Effectively illness etc. is 'fear data' that we allow to affect our body instead of the truth. Illness does not exist, other than as information; the trouble comes when this information is empowered by our belief.

Hi Andrew,

Just to be clear, I don't think anyone was under the impression that you could lift 100,000 kg. But I would like to hear more details about you lifting great weights. Before beginning my training in Shaolin Wahnam, I was an avid weight lifter. I would agree that perception of the weight was often a deciding factor in being able to lift it. I am curious about your experiences.

However, I am not so clear as to your position on illness. I am reading it as "illness does not exist. Our perception/belief about illness brings it into being and causes the sickness." Is that accurate?

And for animals that have no belief in illness, are you saying that illness in them is caused by the belief of the pack leader/alpha/owner? But you are also saying that in order to be free of illness, you need to block yourself from the beliefs of the alpha/leader/masses. These two concepts seem pretty contradictory to me.

I am also wondering how your theory might explain what happened to the native peoples of North and South America when the European explorers arrived. The natives, who greatly out numbered the settlers (that would make them the masses/alpha), were killed by bullets and diseases that they had never encountered. Both of these would have been totally foreign to the natives, thus they would have no belief about them. In your theory, wouldn't that cause the disease and bullets to have no effect?

I'm not trying to troll here. I'm honestly curious about your theory. Also, I am really happy for you that you have found something you are passionate about and works for you. Good stuff!

To all Shaolin Wahnam students - here is a link to a great article written by Sifu describing something similar to Andrew's theory.

http://www.shaolin.org/general/perception.html

I am sure you will see some similarities, as well as some differences.

-Matt

[Damian Kissey]

Sifu's Acquired Wisdom

Thank you Matt for reminding us about our Sifu's teaching .

Quoting Sifu :

"If we just think of good things, are we just dreaming? No, we are not just dreaming. We dare to dream, but we are ready and capable of putting in effort to make our dreams come true. Our Shaolin Wahnam training gives us mental clarity that enables us to have noble perceptions, and tremendous energy that enables us to put in the necessary effort.

Thoughts create reality. This is a great cosmic truth taught by ancient masters and confirmed by modern scientists. An electron is a particle or a wave depending on how the investigating scientist thinks about it. The Buddha teaches that karma, which means cause and effect, is the result of thoughts, speech and deeds in that order of importance.

So, whatever events, persons, beliefs, problems or difficulties you interact with, always have positive perceptions of them. "

Take home points for practice from above:

1) Aim or Dream for something ( to be free of illness etc )
2) Use a Structured System ( Shaolin Arts etc ) which includes a Teacher ( Grandmaster Wong etc ) i.e not self taught .
3) Put in correct consistent Effort ( not just dream or simply thought your illness away ).

The Universal Law of Karma ( as experienced and taught by the Buddha ) and the Natural Law of Gravity ( as experienced by every weight bearing person ) is operating whether a sentient being believes in Laws or not .

The Buddha also systematically taught that one can escape from Laws or Karmas simply by " Avoid Evil , Do Good , Cultivate Mind " .....simple but not necessarily easy .

BTW , as a healthworker , i remember assisting in delivering ill congenitally deformed babies (of good healthy parents ) who died within minutes post partum ; and i thought then " How unfair life is .....How do you expect those babies to put into practise what the Buddha taught when only given a few gasping minutes on Earth....Why illness happen to "innocent" babies ....." . Now , having practised at least one System of Internal Art ( thank you Sifu and Past Masters ) , i have an informed faith that it can be done through the Trilogy of " Good student , Good System , Good Sifu " .


So lets have fun working on IT .