A Secret

[yeniseri]

just stating what i see

fisherman,

Because you pay for something or people come to see it does not mean you are privy to its benefits. I must watch my words because people become offensive for their own reasons so I will try to be clear.
The way you approached the situation was odd while saying more should be brought out on the topic. Why should one share a benefit of somethiong to those who are unappreciative? I am referring to myself so please do not get offended!

Knowledge is not something to be shared at the level we are dealing with. In public discourse and work venue, tools (knowledge) must be accessed to accomplish a mission (job) so in that general sense you are right that knowledge for the common public good is mandatory. Things in the personal realm are diametrically opposite to the aforementioned.
Sometimes I am looking for my car keys and they are right in front of me. All needed was focus in the first place.

I am probably the one at fault so please be openmineded.
thanks for reading this far!

[fisherman]

dear yeniseri,

thanks for your reply. it is fine to disagree with me! i don't get offended that easily

however, i believe that most people were appreciative hence why i feel that Frank's decision to backtrack on his earlier decision is somewhat faltering. i may be wrong of course.

most certainly, teasing people for so long and suddenly saying he will withhold his knowledge "until the time is right" does not seem honest or fair to those who spent so much time reading through 300 posts and waiting for his "next instalment". if Frank feels that all those people have to pay the price of a minority not being appreciative, then choosing a public forum to reveal his stone is not the best place to do it.

i agree that not all knowledge is at everyone's reach and therefore should be withheld from those people until they are ready to understand it. otherwise, all you are doing is talking to yourself and feeding your own ego while listening to your own voice (since you are the only one who understands it). i believe knowledge is something to be shared with those who are willing to listen and are able to understand it and there are many people here who – at least – have already shown to be willing to listen. in my humble opinion, these are the only reasons why any knowledge should be withheld from anyone. we should have learned by now that hiding keys of knowledge is nothing but a way to make ourselves feel special, when in fact we're just showing that we're not special at all but just another human being whose ego is not under control.

mind, it was Frank who committed himself to reveal a knowledge which began personal, so he was the one who made it public in the first place and should therefore be consistent and accept the consequences of his decision...

... or he should just apologise to all and say that he had made a mistake in revealing this so early or in a public forum, close this thread and send private messages to those he believes to be ready to hear such secrets...

of course, this only my opinion...

[Ray]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Personally I feel that he has been very generous with his knowledge.

Best,

Ray

[Tu Le]

Personally I feel that he has been very generous with his knowledge

Same here. Whether or not he is telling tales or facts depending on the whether listener is a skeptic or believer, he has been to a lot of trouble typing up his story. I think, that it's rude for someone to interupt him, especially if he/she wants to listen. If he/she doesn't want to listen, or appear uninterested, simple, go somewhere else.

I have Pm'ed him about a month ago, and he said that he'll continue the story when the environment is right. I don't consider the environment now a good time for Dr Frank to post.

Dr Frank, please do continue. Just ignore the skeptical remarks (I am also a little skeptical, but I'd rather listen to your entertaining story).

[celticdragon]

I thought this had been sorted................

Personally I feel that he has been very generous with his knowledge.

I think that it has already been shown that this knowledge is available elsewhere on the internet.

I agree with most of what fisherman says. But, I don't think that Dr. Loo should continue as IMHO he is a spoofer.

I have Pm'ed him about a month ago, and he said that he'll continue the story when the environment is right. I don't consider the environment now a good time for Dr Frank to post.

Yeah, when he thinks that the so called sceptics aren't watching.
Unfortunately for Dr. Loo (and thankfully for us) people have caught on to his waffle and won't tolerate it any more.

Have a nice day

[Tu Le]

I think that it has already been shown that this knowledge is available elsewhere on the internet.

Where?

he is a spoofer.

Where did you get that from? Explain. You could be a "spoofer", since you have not met with Dr Frank.

[QUOTE]]"Unfortunately for Dr. Loo (and thankfully for us) people have caught on to his waffle and won't tolerate it any more."[/QUOTE

Which people? Who won't tolerate it? Why won't you tolerate a story? It's just a good tale.

Seems to me that you somewhat believe in Dr Frank, as you are taking this far too seriously. It's only a story. Remember what my Siheng Andrew said. He said something in the lines of "Let the believers think of it as fact". "Let the skeptics enjoy a good tale". Like I said If you don't want to listen, just read another thread.

Have a good one, mate.

[atat23]

Which people? Who won't tolerate it? Why won't you tolerate a story? It's just a good tale.

I wouldnt even call it a good tale, good tales have a beginning, a middle and an *END*, oh god!, why wont it end? :P

But seriously, at this point i think we know that it is a fabrication, the fact that many people may have a problem with the tale is that Dr Loo is actually passing it on as his real life experience, he says it is actually happening and not just a story.

If you read the whole thread you'll find the sources that are identical to the story told here. Its one of the probs i had with the thread, i didnt care that Dr Loo was telling a story, just the fact that he was ripping information from many sources and not crediting it, blatant plagiarism, of course thats my opinion on the matter but when i mailed Dr Loo and asked him for the sources he used in his "extensive research" (or ten minutes on google to you and me) he was very evasive, even though i was just interested in reading about the stone, its probably because Dr Loo's sources are the exact ones i found and linked to in this thread, if so why wouldnt he just admit it or offer up some sources of his own

Also in the emails i sent Dr Loo (and yes they were *very* polite) when he responded, at no point did he turn around and say, "actually i forgot to mention on the forum that none of this is actually happening and it is just a story i have created using a few other sources", i think the whole mess could have been sorted alot quicker if Dr Loo had of been a bit more open with us or if the thread had started with "once upon a time..."

Not to make demands or anything but a few more clear pictures would be nice, how about one of Dr Loo holding the stone and the box that he has, that would go a long way to quench my suspicion about this whole fiasco

Tune in soon for my new thread "The Secret 2: The Stone Bites Back!", with more blood, more guts and more explosions than ever before.
Starring: Me as myself, Mel Gibson as the stone and the KGB as themselves.
Strap yourselves in for the story of your lives, coming to a forum near you........"when the time is right"

[celticdragon]

Tu Le

Seems to me that you somewhat believe in Dr Frank, as you are taking this far too seriously. It's only a story.

If this was just being presented as a story then it would be in the Myths and Legends section. This is being presented as fact and I, for one, doubt the authenticity. I am sure that I'm not the only one.

Which people? Who won't tolerate it? Why won't you tolerate a story? It's just a good tale.

Start a poll and see what other people think!
In your own words, you doubt the real value of what Dr. Loo has written and know that it is not the truth.

Down with this sort of thing

[Tu Le]

"blatant plagiarism"

Just wondering, did he copy the sources word from word?

Celticdragon, atat23, you pose interesting arguments. Thanks.

You know the story could turn out to be a better movie than the Da Vinci Code.

I don't think Dr Frank will be coming back, although he will still spread his propaganda.

Who knows, it may be true.

I wish the best of luck to Dr Frank's goals.

[atat23]

"blatant plagiarism"

Just wondering, did he copy the sources word from word?

im afraid he did, straight from the websites anyway and some of the books i found.
I have seen Dr Loo on the forum in the currently active users box though so he is around, i wonder what the requirement for the "right time" actually is, probably just another stalling tactic though. Maybe we will never know....im actually beginning to worry about our friend Dr Loo, maybe something bad has happened him, the stone was very powerful so maybe the aliens it belonged to have come to claim it back thus thrusting the intrepid Dr Loo into an epic power struggle the likes the universe has never seen or......he could be in china again.........where ever you are Dr Loo i hope you are fighting the good fight, defeating your foes, wearing clean underwear and of course taking lots of random photos.

God bless the wayward hero that is Dr Loo!!!! *salute* (^0^)

ah well, lets all do the kirby dance......<(^_^<) <(^_^)> (>^_^)>

[shaolin_mike]

Kirby *love*

Atat you are funny. To be honest with you guys I dont know where I stand on the whole secret issue but I would have loved to hear the ending. If you had just let him finish it then we'd have the ending and you could all debate it till you go blue in the face but as it stands you scared him off halfway through.

There should be a disclaimer at the beginning of this thread saying that there is no real ending. That way we would save some poor souls reading a million pages of text only to come up with nothing at the end.

[Andrew]

Please everyone stop attacking Dr. Loo. There is no need and it is not acceptable on this forum.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that:
- Those who believe what he has to say can enjoy this thread as fact
- Those who do not believe what he has to say can enjoy this thread as fiction
- Those who are not interested need not read this thread at all

Those of you who are now attacking Dr. Loo for either "copying" his story or "not completing" it are obviously much more interested in the story than you care to admit. Otherwise, why the concern about the "end" and the "sources".

So please stop flaming Dr. Loo and, if he decides to continue the story, allow those who have found pleasure in following it to do so further.

Andrew

[atat23]

"attacking", "flaming"??? (-_-') nope none of that going on here. Im the one who accused DL of "copying" and i'm interested in the story behind the grail that DL was talking about at the start of the thread so thats why i continue to take an interest in the thread and its whole development.
The last couple of posts are discussing people's opinion on the thread, people always have conflicting opinions but it still is a discussion and not an argument so no flaming/attacking was going on at all.
Anything that i said in the last couple of posts was nothing i haven't already said to DL himself and he seemed to take it as the constructive critisism that it was, not an attack. This is like the time you thought i called you a liar when in fact i didnt say anything of the sort, you really read into what people say *way* too deeply, take it for what it is and not what you may think it is. (X_X)

Maybe you thought i was taking the piss out of him or something because of my joking around, but it was all in good fun, like the old "lets make fun of uki thread" or "nickname for uki" thread, whatever it was called, yes?, we are still allowed to have a laugh right?

I find this thread interesting and m sorry for wrecking all the pleasure everyone gets from this thread but if i said i enjoyed to kick babies in the face would you let that go? if you saw me kicking a baby in the face and you thought it was wrong would you say that you didnt agree with that and say something to stop me? obviously you would, its just like if i see anything wrong with a thread i'll voice my opinion and stand up and say "actually wait a minute DL how come your words are exactly the same as this site's words?, did you copy them?", just because it may spoil someones pleasure doesnt mean im not going to voice my opinion, like the baby thing.....btw i dont like to kick babies in the face....thats just wrong.....so dont do it.

Since, on this thread, differences of opinion and going against the grain is seen as flaming can we actually discuss what flaming actually is, it would be me turning round and calling DL names, telling DL to shut up and generally me telling DL exactly what my opinion of him is even telling him that im glad he is gone etc, i wouldnt do that on the forum as its childish and really proves nothing, i was just using those things as an example........actually an example of flaming is exactly what we need heres one that was prepared earlier:

http://www.wongkiewkit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5107

around about the third post is when the flaming really gets going, now thats what i call flaming........is that the double standards mating call i hear? i think it is (^_^)\\// *peace*

[celticdragon]

If people are Flaming Dr. Loo then this thread could be construed as spamming, don't you think

[Andrew]

atat23 and celticdragon

You have both (and a couple of others) called Dr. Loo a liar and a plagiarist. Oh yes --- those weren't attacks and of course not meant personally

If you already have the "original sources" for the story, then please go to them to get what you want. Or present them here so that everyone else can see them. If you have such clear proof then present it.

Andrew