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  • #16
    Zhang boduan inner alchemy

    Originally posted by beggarsu
    I'd like to hear what you have to say about Mr. Daniel Reid's book when you have read it.Aaron
    Good Day my friend Aaron! How goes life?

    I read in this book that There are about 4000 styles of Chi Kung styles so after reading that and after seem many chi kung training in many books I came to the conclusion that I don't need any book any longer I just want to train the lyfting the Sky training and carring the moon, and hoping that some day I train more chi kung trainings whit Sifu Wong Kiew Kit, because I agreed that Chi kng is not about know collecting knowledge about all the Chi kung trainings but about training ( and better whit a teacher of course)

    Any way Dear Aaron if you want to know more comments from me about this book see here:



    Have a nice day ,good Bye Friends!

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    • #17
      Hello HugoDarien ,

      It is good hearing from you again . Yes, there are quite a large number of Qigong styles. Master Wong comments in his Art Of Chi Kung book about the volumous Taoist Qigong literature. The examples he used were 10,000 and 20,000+ volumes! I think you made a wise choice in focusing on the Shaolin Cosmos Qigong you learned from Sifu Wong. It is just like you said, there are all these styles, but really of the countless exercises, there's only really one, Qigong State of Mind.

      Have a nice day
      Aaron
      "The nine energies are necessary for immortality, but they are not something for any person to be allowed to come in contact with or hear about. The populus common, in their unending worry, their concern is only with riches and honors. They may well be called walking corpses." - Ge Hong

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      • #18
        Zhang boduan inner alchemy

        Originally posted by beggarsu
        Hello HugoDarien I think you made a wise choice in focusing on the Shaolin Cosmos Qigong you learned from Sifu Wong. It is just like you said, there are all these styles, but really of the countless exercises, there's only really one, Qigong State of Mind.Aaron
        Good Day Aaron is so good to hear from you so fast!

        Yes is really true, that is a wise choice of me to focusing on the Shaolin Qigong from Sifu Wong Kiew Kit that I learn from his books! I use to use only 3 Chi Kung Training ( Lifting the Sky , Carry the Moon and Three Levels to Ground ) all these three are from SHAOLIN EIGHTEEN LOHAN HANDS and according Sifu Wong Kiew Kit, these 3 are one of the best, special Lifting the Sky " one of the best of all chi kung exercises, according to Sifu Wong Kiew Kit

        So yes I take the really one, Qigong State of Mind and Lyfting the Sky all my life!

        And I hope I someday train Chi Kung direct from Sifu Wong Kiew Kit and Sifu Stier and you if possible!

        Have a Good Night, Bye!
        Last edited by HugoDarien; 13 April 2006, 02:56 PM.

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        • #19
          Zhang boduan inner alchemy

          Good Day friend Aaron and all the members and guess of this forum!

          Here are a good link about the Four Hundred Words on the Golden Elixir", a poem attributed to Zhang Boduan and many others Chinese texts in Chinese! I hope they are good, myself could not read them because I can not Chinese!

          see the thread here:



          Thanks Bye Bye

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          • #20
            Zhang boduan inner alchemy

            Good Day Aaron!

            Was Immortal or Sifu: Zhang boduan the same as Chang Po-Tauan that wrote The Inner Teachings of Taoism and Understanding Reality: A Taoist Alchemical Classic ! Regarded by some one the best of Taoism Classics!

            See:





            PS. Thank you so much for the question you ask Sifu Wong Kiew Kit.

            A selection of answers provided by Sifu Wong Kiew Kit to questions asked by the public on Shaolin Kungfu, Chi Kung, Taijiquan and Zen


            Hugo

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            • #21
              Hello HugoDarien ,

              Yes, Chang Po Tuan is another spelling of Zhang Boduan. The text you mentioned, Understanding Reality, and the one you mentioned in your first post on this thread, Awakening to the Real, are the same book written by him, the Wu Chen P'ian. I think you would very much like the story about him in the book I once recomended you, "Tales Of The Immortals", by Eva Wong. It is about how his friend, Hui Ting the buddhist monk, once asked him to go with him in spirit travel because Hui Ting had recently learned the technique. When they went, they each brought back a flower. But when they came back from their spirit travel and showed each other their flowers, Hui Ting's didn't come through. When Chang's students asked him after why Hui Ting's flower didn't come back, he said Hui Ting only cultivated his mind and hence the whole trip was in his head. But he however cultivates body and mind, and hence he takes on corporeal form in spirit travel, and can influence reality.

              Your welcome . I was happy to get Grandmaster Wong's response too . I had forgotten about the questions, as I had asked those questions quite a long time ago, heh. But it was wonderful reading Grandmaster Wong's response. Pak Mei is one of my favorite characters in kung fu history.

              Aaron
              "The nine energies are necessary for immortality, but they are not something for any person to be allowed to come in contact with or hear about. The populus common, in their unending worry, their concern is only with riches and honors. They may well be called walking corpses." - Ge Hong

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              • #22
                Zhang boduan inner alchemy

                Originally posted by beggarsu
                Yes, Chang Po Tuan is another spelling of Zhang Boduan. The text you mentioned, Understanding Reality, and the one you mentioned in your first post on this thread, Awakening to the Real, are the same book written by him, the Wu Chen P'ian.

                Your welcome . I was happy to get Grandmaster Wong's response too . I had forgotten about the questions, as I had asked those questions quite a long time ago, heh. But it was wonderful reading Grandmaster Wong's response. Pak Mei is one of my favorite characters in kung fu history.

                Aaron
                Good Morning ! Aaron!

                Well thats very nice to know that, they are the same book, I'm going to the library soon so I can read them home!

                Yes Pak Mei was a very intelligent and very powerful Master, amazing the art he invented. But of Course I don't like that he and others killed the Shaolin Monks!

                Well my health and a pure chi be whit you, yea very concentrate, like a Crystal!

                POWERFUL CHI MY FRIENDS, POWERFUL CHI !

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by HugoDarien
                  But of Course I don't like that he and others killed the Shaolin Monks!
                  Yeah that wasn't very nice of him

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                  • #24
                    Zhang boduan inner alchemy

                    Good Day ! Alex I agreed that he did was not good!

                    Thanks for your reply!

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                    • #25
                      Zhang boduan inner alchemy

                      Dear Friend Aaron!

                      I wonder if your Sifu have told you which book he things is the best that explain Chinese Healing!

                      Maybe this one?

                      The Golden mirror of the Art of Healing or sometimes the same book is call Golden mirror of the medicine and in Chinese: I-Tsung Chin-Chien that many doctors compiled between 1749-80 !



                      Thanks

                      HugoDarien
                      Last edited by HugoDarien; 17 August 2006, 09:24 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Greetings HugoDarien ,

                        No, he's never mentioned anything like that to me. He sometimes has taught me some things about Chinese Medicine for the sake of understanding things I go to find to read or being conversant with it or understanding discussions about it, but he teaches me not to practice it. He instead uses his own unique paradigm for medicine and healing based on the Taoist mysticism he practices.

                        Aaron
                        "The nine energies are necessary for immortality, but they are not something for any person to be allowed to come in contact with or hear about. The populus common, in their unending worry, their concern is only with riches and honors. They may well be called walking corpses." - Ge Hong

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                        • #27
                          Zhang boduan inner alchemy

                          Aaron greetings and is good to know what you said

                          PS.do you know some good book or the best book for you about healing?

                          Thanks of course like always he he

                          Regards

                          Hugo

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                          • #28
                            Hey again HugoDarien ,

                            For me I don't really think there is a best book on healing. Some ones I like though are for example the Yellow Emperor one Huangdi Neijing Suwen. Sun Simiao was very ill as a child, so he became very interested in becomign healthy and healing. He got well and achieved his high spiritual attainments by the Qigong Meditation he explains in his book Cunshen Lianqi Ming (Visuallization of Spirit and Refinement of Energy). That's another book I like. Also I like explanations of indian energy arts described in some indian books. Like the Prasna Upanishad has a excellent explanation of the course of energy through the body. I also find the explanations of lifeforce given by Ajatasatru and Indra in the Kausitaki Upanishad very useful. I also like some insights I find in the 4th and 5th chapters of the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad about energy and meridians (hita in indian). For example, when the author explains that meridians are very "fine" as opposed to "small" as I've seen it described many times by modern authors, I think that is a little more accurate. Meridians are certainly not small by any means. They are on quite astronomical scale and get even bigger depending on the person's qigong attainment. Instead that by explaining it as fine I think that gives a better conotation because that is a little similar to how some scientists describe extra deimensions today in gauge theories of physics, i.e. that the dimensions aren't so "small" that we cannot see them but that they are so bunched up that the highly compressed energy states of course keep them in higher energy states outside of the normal range of our perceptions at our energy states. Also I like the Atharva Veda which talks much about energy and healing. For example, there is a part in the last section of the Atharva Veda devoted just to prana (there are others elsewhere in the book) that I especially like.

                            Wishing you good results with your reading explorations ,
                            Aaron
                            "The nine energies are necessary for immortality, but they are not something for any person to be allowed to come in contact with or hear about. The populus common, in their unending worry, their concern is only with riches and honors. They may well be called walking corpses." - Ge Hong

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                            • #29
                              Zhang boduan inner alchemy

                              Originally posted by beggarsu
                              Wishing you good results with your reading explorations ,Aaron
                              Thanks Aaron! maybe you can help me whit this:


                              Greetings

                              Hugo

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                              • #30
                                Hey again HugoDarien ,

                                Sorry but I havent read any of those books, so I wouldn't be able to help you :/

                                Have a nice day
                                Aaron
                                "The nine energies are necessary for immortality, but they are not something for any person to be allowed to come in contact with or hear about. The populus common, in their unending worry, their concern is only with riches and honors. They may well be called walking corpses." - Ge Hong

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