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Enough - I am a passing guest. I am leaving your disgraceful cult home. I call you all fakes, and liars, and cheats. You are a disgraceful group - reminiscent of a cult - in fact, you are just a cult. Despicable cheats, I despise people such as you who disgrace martial arts with your false claims.
Please e-mail Gateofquan@yahoo.co.uk with details of where I may go to touch hands with your representitive. Or else, know always the truth.
Our local schools don't accept random challenges. However, as an international organization, it is possible. Firstly, you would need to identify yourself and your teacher. Then the conditions of the challenge would have to be agreed upon. Eventually, Sifu Wong would choose the instructor (or student) to take the challenge.
But there's a simpler way. Why don't you just go visit our school in Frankfurt and politely (keyword there) ask our sihing Kai to knock arms in Three Star Forearm Hitting. That way, no one gets hurt, and you'll get to feel the "golden sheath" of protective energy directly.
By the way, who's doing the challenging? My name is Anthony Korahais. Who are you?
From a passing guest to an insulting challenger ... all in the space of 2 days. You don't just type fast, you also change your mind fast. What else do you do so quickly? Disappear maybe?
There are no problems with differences of opinion on the forum, but Im surprised you make such sweeping accusations without any evidence to back your argument up.
This could have been a great opportunity to debate miconceptions in the martial arts, instead you storm off like a child.
I was debating whether to respond to this guy when he first posted, but then an avalanche of work descended on me suddenly over the weekend, and i figured it could wait.
This sort of behaviour is starting to look familiar. The sequence is quite established now (maybe like Jack the Ri, :
1) Introduce oneself, say some nice perfunctory things about the forum
2) Say "I am here to learn"
3) Proceed to give a lecture on martial arts or qigong, and suggest subtly at first that Shaolin Wahnam is wrong
4) React graciously initially to rebuffs or rebuttals
5) Start losing control when more forum members poke holes at the theory presented
6) Accuse forum members of belonging to a cult, and leave in a huff.
Some people can be so socially immature. When someone walks into a school and starts telling everyone they are learning the wrong thing in front of the teacher and students, the last thing he should expect is to be applauded. When the students do not agree with him, he calls them cultish or close-minded.
I am big on self-awareness and self-examination. So, I take criticism seriously. So does Shaolin Wahnam. But how does one seriously take in comments from Xia or those who obviously know nothing about the Chinese martial arts but claim to be experts?
It is past midnight here and i am still working at my desk. But I think it is important to deal with this accusation of our being a cult. Someone popping into this thread and not seeing the 68 posts that Xia made may think that he left because we were not ready to accept a second opinion or listen to alternative views.
Put simply, his opinions are objectively wrong (when examined against not only Shaolin Wahnam but also the history of Chinese civilisation) and are likely to be dangerous.He trains CMA (as he lazily calls it) with the most bizarre of assumptions about qi.
I would hate for a guest to go away with the idea that we do not listen to other views and training styles. This is certainly not the case, unless the person posting is himself a fake expert.
From a passing guest to an insulting challenger ... all in the space of 2 days. You don't just type fast, you also change your mind fast. What else do you do so quickly? Disappear maybe?
Andrew
I have not disappeared, nor will what I say ever disappear - just as it has been repeated over and over and over again by many people.
The disgraceful tone of Antonius and some others made me very angry. I did not come here to challenge anyone - quite the opposite - I was expecting to find honour and ethic. Instead, what I have found here disturbs me greatly. However, I was not disrespectful, but after a certain point of boasting to me, and of hearing the ignorance of people like Antonious, I will call on you to prove what you say - and I call on you to do it. If not with me, then show me where your school which stands above all the world and knows more than the real experts lists its proofs?
The methods and ideas and propoganda espoused by Shaolin Wah Nam are fake, and not based on real truth - wake up for goodness sake - no one can push you ove with mind power - it is all fake and illusion - smoke and mirrors - I have seen you do it in person, and I laughed. In addition, men here disgracefully speak of wu de whilst insulting others in snide and underhand ways - and then disgracefully refuse to accept respnsibility for their own words. They speak of wude whilst boasting of a level that would shame Chang Sang Feng to say!
I have spoken with my usual tone, and in response, I have heard such bragging that it makes my ears tingle. What you say here is equivalent to saying that Wah Nam stands above the whole world - you are better than boxers, thai boxers, san shou fightes, then Chen family (Because all true knowledge has left China - my god!) the genuine Yang stylists (in China) the wushu players, Shaolin Monks, Bagua masters, Yiquan full contact fighters you name it - all of whom display a level so high that you can not even see them. But you claim not only superiority, but that these people don't even exist. Those who told you this are your enemies - question them!
And then, you will not and can not accept even to do push hands with someone to prove what you say! And each man passes the responsibility on to the next - up to the master. My god! Where is the reputation of your school if it boasts and boasts but can not even show a strong face!
I am disturbed by this group. I find what you say to be perverse and untrue.
I am especially disturbed by the cult like over tones here - the fear of questioning, and the hostility towards questioners... and the way all of the junior students seemed drawn in to the whole cult of it.
The things you say about Taiji and Shaolin don't make any sense, and have no relationship to the real truth. What's worse, you seem unaware that China is a real place, with real people who actually really do know all bout this stuff - for real - they're not just some Western guy traiing twice a week for an hour in the local sports hall - they're real, genuine, proffesional, full time martial arts warriors of ancient lineage - they are real... and you deem to over-speak them? I tell you - you better be really, really, sure before you do that. From what I have heard, and seen, they would not even recognise what you do as CMA - and in your gross folly, you actually have managed to convince yourself that that is because THEY have forgotten what to do.
Dear younger students of Wah Nam, ask yourself if that could possibly ever be true!
Our local schools don't accept random challenges. However, as an international organization, it is possible. Firstly, you would need to identify yourself and your teacher. Then the conditions of the challenge would have to be agreed upon. Eventually, Sifu Wong would choose the instructor (or student) to take the challenge.
But there's a simpler way. Why don't you just go visit our school in Frankfurt and politely (keyword there) ask our sihing Kai to knock arms in Three Star Forearm Hitting. That way, no one gets hurt, and you'll get to feel the "golden sheath" of protective energy directly.
By the way, who's doing the challenging? My name is Anthony Korahais. Who are you?
Antonious I only want to challenge with you, personally - and I will not accept any of your ridiculous cowardly terms. Are you coming to the gathering in 2007? I will fight you personally, and you may video it.
Geaorge, I have no problem with you, and you seem ok tome. Consider what I have said, think about it - absorb. It doesn;t matter what the people say here - 99 per cent of people never want to think outside of the crutch that they use for their ego. If you are that one per cent, don't fear to cast the crutch away.
You can come to train with me on friendly terms any time you like, and I will show you what I mean in action.
There are no problems with differences of opinion on the forum, but Im surprised you make such sweeping accusations without any evidence to back your argument up.
All the evidence any one needs is to hear you people boast and boast and boast, and yet quail at the thought of backing it up. I practice CMA, but I train with Tahiboxers, MMA fighters, JKD guys - anyone who can help me improve - and they are all humble and open, never boastful. And you claim ethic in what you do? Be silent on the matter now.
This could have been a great opportunity to debate miconceptions in the martial arts, instead you storm off like a child.
All the best regardless
Many have already been here, trying to open your mind to real truths and insights,but you yourself close yourself off. Worse still, you insult so snidely - as a group - and when peopel become quite rightly disgusted at your actions you say *WHat? Us? We never.... look at you getting angry..* People are right to be angry with you.
No, I did not. I never do. I expected somethign more here - but what I see is the disgraceful facade of ethic hiding the most unscrupulous activities and words.
Check reality Adam - I was nothing but polite - but inthe end, I don't scratch the dirt to you people - and if you (this school) will boast, and boast, and boast, then at some point someone will call your bluff on it. Would you listen to someone tell you how great they were, how awesome, and how dumb you were for not just believeing it, without saying *OK - SHow me!* But whatpeople like Antonious want is fawning, grovelling weaker people to join his ego in its favourite hobby. Secretly, he is exactly the type of person spoken about in that article - secretly terrifeid of violence - or even putting on the gloves with someone who might want to really fight with him.
Don't for one second think thatI go around challenging people - I don't -I go around learning and learning, from many different people - but I always get the gloves on, or do their sparring - always... Antonious would not dare to do that even in his dreams. For CMA to stand proud, it has to stand with MuayThai, MMA etc, as a real art. This art - Wah Nam - if it is that, then you must prove it or else be silent - one can not both boast and refuse to prove.
You are as closed as the symbol with which you sign your name.
From the various articles and comments on the web you have published I can see that you see yourself as a "CMA" with the experience to decide that internal force is not real. You're an expert. Not a student, or a seeker, as you falsely presented yourself when you first came here. If you were indeed a true seeker, you never would have stopped looking, and you would have been respectful while you were at it.
You decided we are cult-like without having visited our house for more than 2 days.
You decided that everything we say we do is fake because we don't immediately rush over to you and prove you right. Ego.
Sifu Anthony told you the terms under which Shaolin Wahnam may accept a challenge. What do you do? Disrespect the procedure and issue a personal challenge. You are full of aggression and unclear thought.
This is my conclusion, after thorough study of your posts. My view of you was not shaped by my seniors, but by your own words and behavior.
I call you fake. There is no substance to you. You, a random person who signs 'X'. No pictures. No videos. What is your name? How old are you? Who is your teacher? Why is your opinion important?
I was debating whether to respond to this guy when he first posted, but then an avalanche of work descended on me suddenly over the weekend, and i figured it could wait.
This sort of behaviour is starting to look familiar. The sequence is quite established now (maybe like Jack the Ri, :
1) Introduce oneself, say some nice perfunctory things about the forum
2) Say "I am here to learn"
3) Proceed to give a lecture on martial arts or qigong, and suggest subtly at first that Shaolin Wahnam is wrong
4) React graciously initially to rebuffs or rebuttals
5) Start losing control when more forum members poke holes at the theory presented
6) Accuse forum members of belonging to a cult, and leave in a huff.
Well, if that happens over and over then you should consider why! Of course, in your ind there is one person who keeps coming on and doing it. Which for some reason you think far more likely than you actually are all of the things that other people see. No one has poked a hole in my theory - but thanks for demonstrating the disgraceful lies that you people seem to tell like giving away sweets. After all of the boasting, i have asked for you to prove it - and you fail to stand strong. Be silent.
There is not the knowledge here to poke a hole in what I say - but that you could! I will happily accept improvement to any idea that I have.
Some people can be so socially immature. When someone walks into a school and starts telling everyone they are learning the wrong thing in front of the teacher and students, the last thing he should expect is to be applauded. When the students do not agree with him, he calls them cultish or close-minded.
I have not walked in to your school - this is an internet forum. But yes, what you teach is wrong - and ignorant. I don't expect your applause - I expect you to defend. I speak to the one in a hundred who doesn't needthe herd view to survive.
So, I take criticism seriously. So does Shaolin Wahnam. But how does one seriously take in comments from Xia or those who obviously know nothing about the Chinese martial arts but claim to be experts?
I have not claimed to be an expert. What is disgraceful here is that you actually deny eventhe very existence of the real experts. Your group does not welcome criticism - it is terrified of it - like all cultish groups. You remind me of a much worse Falun Gong.
It is past midnight here and i am still working at my desk. But I think it is important to deal with this accusation of our being a cult. Someone popping into this thread and not seeing the 68 posts that Xia made may think that he left because we were not ready to accept a second opinion or listen to alternative views.
Put simply, his opinions are objectively wrong (when examined against not only Shaolin Wahnam but also the history of Chinese civilisation) and are likely to be dangerous.He trains CMA (as he lazily calls it) with the most bizarre of assumptions about qi.
Your cultishness is nothig to do with your opinions, but in your activities and manner of discussing, denying, protecting and reacting. Also in the ridiculous personality cult you have surrounding Wong Kiew Kit and your seniors.
Question, question, question. You use your shaolin laws - which are just made up, by the by - to clamp down on questioning. Disgraceful!
I would hate for a guest to go away with the idea that we do not listen to other views and training styles. This is certainly not the case, unless the person posting is himself a fake expert.
A fake expert is defined by you as one who does not accept what you say. Always the liar speaks about themselves first and foremost. Fake is the one word that sums up what you say more than cult.
You are as closed as the symbol with which you sign your name.
Yes, I am no body at all - that is what you need to learn here - to listen to what people say, and never mind who they are. Listen to the words, not your own ego.
From the various articles and comments on the web you have published I can see that you see yourself as a "CMA" with the experience to decide that internal force is not real. You're an expert. Not a student, or a seeker, as you falsely presented yourself when you first came here.
If you had any wisdom left at all - after it was all sucked out by this group - you would know that even teachers and especially experts - are always students, still searching. This is what is wrong here - you are being led by your egos to a point where you will be expert with nothign left to learn! What a flase and shallow expert you will be in that case!
If you were indeed a true seeker, you never would have stopped looking, and you would have been respectful while you were at it.
If anything, i have been over respectful to you. Respect does not extend to your perverted teachings. I have not stopped looking, but your childish understanding is long ago cracked open - it has no secrets. Wake up Vanessa, the real deal exists in this world - have YOU stopped looking for it?
You decided that everything we say we do is fake because we don't immediately rush over to you and prove you right. Ego.
I don't want you to prove me right - I want you to begin again, questioning, exploring, finding the truth of things. Cult is as cult does - your reaction is cult like - you have ceased to searchand question. I have ego, but it is experience that speaks, just the same.
told you the terms under which Shaolin Wahnam may accept a challenge. What do you do? Disrespect the procedure and issue a personal challenge. You are full of aggression and unclear thought.
I have aggression, in its right place - and I am hard to handle. See-through Anthonly may not dictate the terms under which he proves his arrogance to be justified. Is he a warrior or not? Even worse, to let another come and defend him - in some cultures that is considered an insult - by you to him for doing that, like you are saying he can not defend himself.
This is my conclusion, after thorough study of your posts. My view of you was not shaped by my seniors, but by your own words and behavior.
I call you fake. There is no substance to you. You, a random person who signs 'X'. No pictures. No videos. What is your name? How old are you? Who is your teacher? Why is your opinion important?
It is not important - nothign is important. When you understand that, then maybe you will have an insight and compassion for the slavery of people like Anthony, so desperate for some importance in their lives that they would even do as they do here.
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