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    Once upon a time, a man travelled to a remote village in Inner Mongolia, all the way from Europe. He came across a village, and seeing all the people enjoying sports he took out a ball from his bag and began kicking it.

    ‘What is that that you are doing?’ asked the people.

    ‘Soccer.’ Replied the man, and seeing that people were interested he demonstrated some tricks. Everyone was very impressed – they had never seen soccer before!

    The man decided to stay in the village for a while, as people were so nice and welcoming.

    After a few days some local lads asked the man to teach them some soccer skills, and even though he wasn’t too great at soccer, still, he was much better than them, so he happily agreed. ‘I will be the coach,’ he said, so they all replied *coach!*

    That being established, the man began to teach the lads some soccer skills, and before long they had the basics, and other people saw them practicing and asked to join in – and the man happily agreed. Soon, there were enough people to make two teams, so the man selected the players and the captains and they began playing against one another. They enjoyed it very much. The man explained all the rules, and all about good sportsmanship, and how important that was. And then they played, and they all enjoyed the game a great deal, and adhered to good sportsmanship.

    Many other people, seeing the teams play, decided to take up soccer, and soon many neighbouring villages had the soccer bug too! So soon, more and more people wanted to learn how to play with the coach. Seeing this, the coach realised that in this place he had a nice role to play, and could make a modest living teaching soccer and providing people with a skill that they would very much enjoy learning – and so he stayed, and he began teaching soccer to anyone who was interested. And they WERE interested – many people from surrounding settlements came to learn from him – so many that he had to get a bit more organised! He chose some people to be assistant coaches – which they were very pleased with, because they loved the game and they were happy that their skill and commitment was being rewarded. The assistant coaches helped to teach soccer to everyone who was interested, and soon there was a whole league!

    Now, the thing is, although the man loved soccer, he wasn’t a professional - he just liked playing soccer, and had played on an amateur level since he was a boy. But, one day, one of his players went to the capital, and there, on a giant television on a building, he saw Manchester United playing football! He was amazed by their awesome skill – he had never seen anything like it! And so, quite naturally, he was very excited and couldn’t wait to tell all of his friends and also Coach! But when he got back he went straight to the coach first of all, and told him all about his trip and his discovery.

    Now, the coach didn’t really know what to say. He could have said that Manchester United were really one of the best teams in the world, and that if people here trained hard, then maybe at some time in future generations they could be as good as that. But he was afraid to say it in case people lost faith in him, because his level was so obviously so much lower than Manchester United. So instead, he said that what Manchester United do isn’t really the real football. What HE taught them is the real football! Manchester United had all of the uniforms and the flashy moves, but really, they hadn’t really got the true knowledge of soccer, and they just run around doing flashy stuff to get lots of people to pay money to watch them!

    Well, naturally the man was very disappointed, and he went to his friends and he told them all about the fake football he had seen, and about how Coach had told him what a load of rubbish it was. Everyone was amazed at his story, but being essentially decent, honest folks they were really sad that such things go on in the world – especially as they loved soccer so much.

    But, next day at training everyone had a renewed enthusiasm because everyone knew that they were carrying the real soccer forwards in to the future!

    The man who had been to the city still had some questions, though, and he asked coach about the things that he had seen – for example players for Manchester United could apparently control the ball very skilfully, and move in and out of players like greased pigs! Yet again, the coach thought in his heart of hearts that he should really come clean this time, but again, he was afraid that if he did so he would lose this nice life, and everyone’s respect. It wasn’t that he was a bad person, or that he didn’t love soccer – he did. In fact, as a boy he had often dreamed of playing for Manchester United. In fact, the respect these people gave to him was fulfilling his childhood dream of being respected for soccer skills.

    But, Manchester was a very, very long way away now, and it didn’t really make any difference to these people to know about Manchester United, surely? In fact, maybe if they did know, then they would lose faith in him and so lose their love of soccer, and that in turn would destroy their social life and all the really great things that had come out of the soccer league. A difficult one, eh? What would knowing the truth really benefit them? And worst of all, telling the truth now meant also admitting that he had lied about it the day before. So not only would they not respect him as a coach, they wouldn’t respect him as a man.

    So what he did was, he lied, and he told himself that really he was doing it for them, for their own sake, because they had so much resting on him. To keep everyone’s faith he pretended that he was really a top level soccer player and coach – which wasn’t hard to do. In fact, he didn’t really have to lie at all, because the locals all called him great, and all he had to do was not correct them. It wasn’t really lying. More sort of, just letting them believe it if they wanted to.

    But he had a problem – the man who had been to the city had seen great soccer skills for himself, and other people often went to the city as well. Being interested in soccer they would be certain to check out professional teams, and when they came back there was no way that he could compare to that level. So what he did was he told everyone that those professional skills weren’t the real skills. He had the real skills, and the real skills were very different. So instead of encouraging people to experiment and improve genuine soccer skills, he found himself having to make up things for them to practice. Obviously he couldn’t have them practice the same things as professional players, because that would give the game away when they came to compare! So he made up new things – things that were a lot easier, but he gave them complex explanations, and used words to mystify everything, and because the people loved him so much they believed him, of course. And they loved him so much that they happily agreed that his soccer was the real, original, true, highest level soccer – they could even feel the special skills that they had learned when they played. They really could feel it!

    And so, instead of his original dream of teaching real soccer skills the man now found himself in a nightmare, where everything he taught was actually making his friends less skilful at soccer. And so to try and compensate he began to place a much bigger emphasis on sportsmanship than actual soccer skills. In fact, sportsmanship began to take over from soccer skills, and became a kind of code that everyone applied to their lives. In a way, thought the man, he really was teaching the real soccer – because wasn’t sportsmanship the heart of it? But in his own heart he knew that he was cheating the people, but he just could not think of anything else to do in that situation.

    Now, the problem was that with the people believing the man, the logical thing for them to assume from what he was telling them - i.e. that most people in the world were playing the rubbish, fake soccer – was that THEY must be amongst the very few people left who had the real soccer! That made them very proud – of course!

    And so, the next time the same villager went back to the city, he went in to a bar and saw a soccer match on the television – Manchester United versus Ajax. People were cheering and shouting, but the man could not understand why! He looked at the screen, and what he saw was nothing at all like what Coach had taught them! Well, maybe some loose similarity here and there, but really, just an empty form of what they practiced. Now he could see why Coach was right! Now he could see it for himself! Why, this professional soccer was nothing at all like the real soccer that Coach taught them! Right there and then he felt overwhelmed with gratitude that he should have had the chance to learn the real soccer! He could not have felt any more loyal and happy towards Coach! What a great man!

    Now then, some people in the bar noticed him crying, and asked him what was wrong. ‘I am so grateful,’ replied the man, ‘that I can not help but cry!’ And then he proceeded to tell the people that the soccer on the television was all fake, but that there was a town in the country where the real soccer was played, and all of the people were of a much higher level than those Western frauds! In fact, he became a bit overwhelmed with it all!

    When he got back he dedicated himself to Coach and to learning true soccer completely! So much so that Coach soon rewarded him by making him Vice-Coach – which was truly a great honour.

    Meanwhile, however, the people in the bar in the city were quite amazed by the story of the amazing village in the country where local village teams had a greater skill than Manchester United and Ajax! They were amazed, and wondered if it could be true! Soon the rumour spread all through Mongolia – Inner and Outer – but most people understood that it was almost impossible that it was true, so the rumour soon died down to just a story about a town in the country where people loved soccer very much. And the story spread so far that a Western amateur football team that was on a friendly tour of Asia heard about it, and decided it would make a great addition to their trip! And so they found out where the village was and went there.

    Now, when they got there they began talking to the people, telling them that they were a team from the West, and they had come to make friends across the world through football, and they told them all about the dream of a brotherhood of friendship and respect through football.

    However, although the people were naturally friendly, they were still quite mistrustful because of what the coach had told them. Sensing the mistrust, the Western players asked them if there was a problem, at which point the local players explained that Western level of soccer was really fake, and that they maintained the true level of soccer, and that under Coach’s training they were amongst the only people in the world who had real soccer skills.

    Well, quite naturally the Western players were amazed at what they heard. In fact, it was quite funny, but they suspected something strange was going on! They kept quiet and decided just to have a bit of a look around, to see what the situation was. Back at their hotel room they had a chat and a laugh, but weren’t too bothered.

    Meanwhile, however, the Coach was in a terrible panic! He had dreaded this day coming! The lie was always going to spread and spread – no way to stop it once it had come out of his mouth. He wished he had never taken this path – but he had, and now more than ever, for the sake of the people, he had to keep up the lie. After all, the Western team would go home – and what would they leave behind? A shattered dream?

    And so he met with his assistant coaches and explained to them that the real point of football is not to win games, but to have the special skills that he had taught them. He told them all about the fake experts from the West, and how to spot them, which was that if they didn’t recognise what he had taught them as real soccer, then they were fake! So, it was quite easy! Once you had spotted that, no need to worry about anything that they said.

    Next day, the men from the West explained that some of the things that people here had been taught or told weren’t really good soccer skills – or even soccer skills at all! The people became very angry! It was like an attack on their whole community – and what’s more, coach was right again! Was he ever wrong? These people WERE fakers – and that was easy to see because of what they said! And worst of all, they were criticising Coach – the one man who had been truly faithful and honest throughout all of this! The foreign players didn’t even refer to him as Coach, which was disgraceful!

    The villagers could barely contain their hostility, and sensing it, the soccer team asked outright what on earth the problem in this place was! So the locals told them that they were all fakers, and had no knowledge of real football. The soccer team tried to explain, and told them about professional level teams, and how millions of people in the West loved football and had a good level of skill - but the more they explained, the more hostile the villagers were, and the more they claimed to have the real skill!

    So, in the end, the soccer team laughed and said ‘Ok! Fair enough! Let’s have a match and see!’

    Well, the Coach had already told them that that must never happen! They had nothing to prove to anyone – as long as they knew they were the best, real soccer players. Besides, real soccer was about the skills that they had learned – nothing to do with winning games, or the fake skills that the Westerners talked about. What’s more, to make sure that they never played a game with outsiders, he told them that anyone asking for a game obviously didn’t have good sportsmanship, so in that case, no need to play against them! Simple! Asking for a match, so he had told them, is considered very, very bad manners in the real game of soccer.

    Now, some of the locals wondered about that, so they looked to the assistant coaches for guidance. But the problem was that this ethos had been in place so long now that the assistant coaches hardly ever played any matches themselves any more, even in their own league. Coach had steered them all away from it! So the assistant coaches – who would be the ones who would have to play – secretly felt very afraid and unsure of themselves, now that it came to having a real match! It was ok doing the training, and fantasising about winning against Manchester United, and having the cool title of assistant coach, but now that it came to it, they were very worried at the prospect of even playing an amateur Western team. Now THEY had a lot to lose as well! So, they gladly upheld Coach’s teaching that they needn’t play a game, even a friendly game. And what’s more, because they felt secret shame and fear, they spoke very harshly to the Western players, calling them despicable for having come here and asked for a match! All in all, everything coach had told them had certainly proved to be true!

    And so the Western team were quite amazed, and naturally a bit upset, so they explained in no uncertain terms that playing a match was a major part of the whole point of football, and that the things that the villagers said and did were really the real fakes, and worst of all, the worst one was the coach who taught them all of that nonsense!

    Well, hearing their beloved coach talked about like that the locals nearly went bananas! In fact, many of the junior players were willing the assistant coaches to play the Western team there and then – to teach them the meaning of real soccer! Well, the assistant coaches sensed that, so they got a bit worried – because secretly, in their heart of hearts, they doubted that they really did have the necessary skill to play the Western team, so instead they seized their opportunity and berated the Western team for their arrogance and lack of sportsmanship! They called them disgusting and said that they pitied people such as them. If only they knew the joy that came from the real game of soccer! And they told them all about the great get-togethers and parties and weddings that came about from their love of real soccer.

    And so much for brotherhood through football! That had obviously always been a disgusting lie! How could anyone say that and yet not acknowledge their village as the real, authentic football? Some brotherhood if they weren’t acknowledged as elder brothers!

    So again, the team said ‘Well prove it then! Prove you are the real soccer greats!’ And they explained about Pele and David Beckham and the World Cup and golden boots.
    But the assistant coaches were terrified, so they said ‘We already have proved it, many times! Our teams play against one another all the time!’ And ‘One of our players is a golden boot player!’ which was true because Coach had awarded the honour personally. And they explained that they had already won the World Cup – the REAL World Cup - it was obviously only held amongst the REAL soccer players in the world – which was them – so they had already won it, several times, and had nothing to prove to anyone after that! And then they said, get out of our village – go away – and never, ever come back!

    Once they had gone, all of the locals congratulated themselves, and assured one another that the Western team were exactly the despicable frauds that Coach had promised them to be! And they realised then that they had transcended the need to play matches – their level of sportsmanship was so much higher than the frauds that they need never worry about a football match ever again. And their little town lived happily ever after…

    (Apart from one or two of the younger villagers who secretly thought *Hold on – surely we should have just played a match with them?* And began to suspect something might be wrong!)

    As for the local man, well, he later went and watched United play on the television again… and watching, he slowly realised the truth – it wasn’t easy – it felt like betraying his friends… but he realised how upside down his vision had been all along! He couldn’t help but realise the truth because, ironically, the moment he had seen Coach first performing soccer tricks he knew that he loved soccer. So Coach had played a big part in his life, and yet, the time had come to move on. And he did, later gaining a place with Ulang Batur United as a reserve player!

    (And apart from the Coach, who wondered every night about how life might have been different, if he’d never told that first lie. It would have been better to Coach a happy, normal team to a friendly amateur level than this nightmare of lies and pretence of being the best in the world.)

    POSTSCRIPT
    A few years later the coach was very old, and who should turn up at the village but Eric Cantona!

    X

  • #2
    Um...very daring topic. Definitely in uncharted territory here...

    Sounds like Shaolin-Do to me.

    *runs away, far far away*

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    • #3
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      Xia,

      You can choose how to write a story, how you want it to be.

      Life is so much more than that.

      I wish you find what you are looking for.

      Sincerely,
      /Niklas

      "If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven played music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well."/Martin Luther King, Jr.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 8nsteen8 View Post
        Xia,

        You can choose how to write a story, how you want it to be.

        Life is so much more than that.

        I wish you find what you are looking for.

        Sincerely,
        /Niklas

        What I am looking for is to never stop searching. The search itself is the open road, the open mind. No one has all of the pieces of the pie.

        X

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        • #5
          Good fiction story by xia .....

          but in Shaolin Wahnam we prefer real stories about our Sigungs , Sifus , Shaolin Wahnam brothers/sisters and other brothers/sisters from other Martial Arts school in the united martial arts world .

          About how Sigung Ho Fatt Nam single handled compassionately more then 30 armed thugs intent on murdering him & family in 1970 ( details recorded in the Malaysian courts ); Sigung Ho was also visiting traumatology consultant to organisations in China and later given medal of honour by the Malaysian monarchy.

          About Sigung Lai Chin Wah ( righteous survivor of multiple duels ) , Sigung Chee Kim Thong ( Wuzuquan patriach , national treasure of China , knighted Dato' for charity works in Malaysia ) and Sigung Choe Hoong Choy ( Choe family wing chun partriach in Malaysia ) .

          Sifu Wong invited to and conferred "Chi Kung Master of the Year " in 1997 at the World Qigong Congress in USA attended by hundreds of chi kung and kungfu masters / scientist for documented positive work in chi kung therapy( cosmos palm can be used for other things besides fighting .....in fact , giving life and good health to others is more macho then egoistically taking lives ).Sifu's silat experience with Mahaguru Tengku Ahmad who trained the Malaysian elite commandoes.

          Taisiheng Kai's Uwe Jettkandt interesting studentship (prior to joining Shaolin Wahnam ) with Master Gokor Chivichyan ( one of the worlds best / if not the best grappler / judoka ) , with Master Richard Bustillo ( IMB legend and inner chamber disciple of Bruce Lee ) , with Master Gene Lebell ( Father of American Judo) , with top BJJ Masters .

          And many more real stories of students' experience with Master Dan Inosanto , Master Dr Yang Jwing Ming , Master Bruce Kumar Frantzis and other world class martial artist .

          In fact , the truth about Martialartists United is more interesting, inspiring and positively life changing then the borrowed fiction of Manchester united.

          We in Shaolin Wahnam have been there and done that .....in fact we know/believe ( following the philosophy of all Great Martial Artists past and present ) that there is more to martial arts / world clubsoccer then just fighting / kicking balls .....we believe and practice character self development and spiritual cultivation under the guidance of our Sifus and Gurus ( many in Shaolin Wahnam are students of more then one Master ) as the criteria of first class Kung Fu.

          Wishing all real martial artists ( regardless of race color gender or religion) good health , vitality , combat efficeincy , longevity , happiness and wisdom.And may we all help each other in common brotherhood ( and sisterhood) to restore the glory of Kungfu that has been attained by all past great masters.

          Martialartists United !
          Damian Kissey
          Shaolin Wahnam Sabah , Malaysia .
          www.shaolinwahnamsabah.com

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          • #6
            An amusing story indeed Xia. It makes me even happier that Sifu Wong actively encourages his students to learn from other Masters and not accept anything on faith alone nor just because he says so. I would hate to be in the situation of those poor locals.

            Andrew
            Sifu Andrew Barnett
            Shaolin Wahnam Switzerland - www.shaolin-wahnam.ch

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            • #7
              Martial artists United

              Taisiheng Kai is also a 2 nd generation JKD instructor , seen in this link with IMB legend and inner chamber disciple of Bruce Lee , Grandmaster Richard Bustillo.

              Despite also already being a 5 th dan Grandmaster of Jujutsu ( conferred by the relevant body in Germany ) Kai was open minded to learn Shaolin Kungfu from Sifu Wong and still stay good friends on the road of self discovery with Masters of other styles/schools .

              Damian Kissey
              Shaolin Wahnam Sabah , Malaysia .
              www.shaolinwahnamsabah.com

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              • #8
                Real Martial Artists .

                One of our Siheng said that he searched for and learned martial arts from the among the bests , including grappling from Master Gokor and thereafter genuine Shaolin Kungfu from Sifu Wong .

                Damian Kissey
                Shaolin Wahnam Sabah , Malaysia .
                www.shaolinwahnamsabah.com

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                • #9
                  Here is a list of the 15 teachers that I have learned from directly. The names with links are well known authors with books that can easily be found on Amazon.com. The italicized names were featured in the martial arts documentary "The Warrior Within".
                  1. Wong Kiew Kit
                  2. Bruce Kumar Frantzis
                  3. Yang Jwing Ming
                  4. Park Bok Nam
                  5. C.K. Chu
                  6. Zhang Yun
                  7. Wai Hong
                  8. Levy Ignacio
                  9. Bingkun Hu
                  10. Semyon Kobialka
                  11. Tito Valentine
                  12. Hui Cambrelen
                  13. Bonnie Baker
                  14. David Anderson
                  15. Teuro Chinen


                  A detailed chart can be seen here.

                  These are just the teachers that I actually learned from. When I was living in New York City, I visited roughly 30 different martial arts schools searching for a teacher. I was already a black belt in Karate, so I only visited schools with good reputations. Later, I also visited schools in New Jersey, California, Boston, Florida, England, Germany, and Malaysia.

                  Furthermore, I have an extensive collection of books on my shelf, all of which I've read. I'm not sure of the number, but I would estimate that there are more than 70 on the subjects of martial arts, chi kung, and zen.

                  Finally, I have roughly 7 gigabytes of martial arts videos that I downloaded from the Internet over the past 6 years. This amounts to several thousand videos.

                  The insinuation that we in Shaolin Wahnam are provincial and uninformed is amusing.
                  Last edited by Antonius; 7 January 2007, 01:51 PM.
                  Sifu Anthony Korahais
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                  • #10
                    Xia,

                    Its obvious your story is about Shaolin Wahnam, it might as well just be said. What you are saying is that our Grandmaster is like the coach in your story. You are saying our Grandmaster has been lying to us. You say many more things too. The story you have taken time to write, and intricately consider, is quite sad really, sad that you took so much time to write such a snide attack on this school.

                    I feel you are unhealthily obsessed in your attempts to debunk this school. You have an average of over 5 posts per day. I don't have a problem with people who post a lot, but really, look at the amount, and the frequency you are doing and tell me you haven't become obsessed. Look at the time and effort you spent to write such a snide attack above.

                    And why do you exaggerate things people say. You are putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 8. This has been a trend in your posts lately, I think your unhealthy obsession is clouding your ability to respond rationally to what people say.

                    I think its quite obvious what with your increased posting, intricate football story, and mountain out of a mole hill ability, that you have lost balance.

                    Please Xia, for your own sake, cool off.
                    Michael Durkin
                    Shaolin Wahnam England - Manchester
                    www.shaolinwahnam.co.uk

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                    • #11
                      The Flaw in Xia's Story

                      Xia’s story is obviously meant to insinuate that Shaolin Wahnam is a bogus school claiming to be genuine, but the story is basically flawed. His comparison between Manchester United and the local footballers is invalid.

                      In fact, the reverse is true. Local footballers not only in Mongolia but all over the world kick a ball about and say they play football. The Manchester United coach, however, tells them that merely kicking a ball about is not playing football.

                      It is easy to see the difference between merely kicking a ball about and really playing a football game. But it is not so easy to see the difference between modern wushu and traditional kung fu.

                      But it can be done. Modern wushu and traditional kung fu have similar forms, just like kicking a ball about and playing football look similar. But modern wushu is a demonstrative art and is performed in solo, whereas traditional kung fu is a martial art where force training and combat application are important. (Force training may be external or internal or both.)

                      The fact is that many people today practice modern wushu. We have nothing against that. We never said that they were all fake. In fact, we believe that modern wushu is a magnificent art, but we explain that is not traditional kung fu.

                      There are also many people who practice kung fu forms but when they spar they use Kick-Boxing or other martial art techniques. We respect their right to practice what they think is best for them. We also never said they could not fight. In fact we believe some of them are formidable fighters, but we explain that employing Kick-Boxing or other martial art techniques for sparring is not traditional kung fu.

                      Xia is extremely insulting to imply that all Shaolin Wahnam members are ignorant and fools, to be so easily misled by charlatans. It is pertinent to mention that amongst Shaolin Wahnam members there are national presidents, state ministers, chief executives of international corporations, general managers, doctors, scientists, lawyers, architects, philosophers, university professors as well as other top professionals. Dr Damian, for example, who is so kind to Xia despite the latter’s rude behaviour, is a senior doctor well respected by the public.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jordan View Post
                        It is pertinent to mention that amongst Shaolin Wahnam members there are national presidents, state ministers, chief executives of international corporations, general managers, doctors, scientists, lawyers, architects, philosophers, university professors as well as other top professionals. Dr Damian, for example, who is so kind to Xia despite the latter’s rude behaviour, is a senior doctor well respected by the public.
                        This needs to stop being mentioned. This doesn't mean anything. There is a McDojo in Dallas that claims to teach Shaolin (I have been there, they teach karate/kempo and pretend its Shaolin) that has similar, if not even more prestigous "clients." Furthermore, there are many cults and martial art organizations that share the same traits.It doesn't mean anything.

                        And I love how Jordan's job is to "dispel" ignorance on this board, when all he does is pass opinion, on other people's opinion. Furthermore, what your view of Genuine kung fu is, is your own view. It is not shared by all, and neither is it some world-wide, high-class standard.

                        I'm not supporting Xia in this particular argument. But I'll step in every once in a while.

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                        • #13
                          Borrow a sword to murder ..... who else spotted that one? (wans't that hard this time )
                          Sifu Andrew Barnett
                          Shaolin Wahnam Switzerland - www.shaolin-wahnam.ch

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Baguamonk1 View Post
                            This needs to stop being mentioned. This doesn't mean anything.
                            How wrong you are .... again.

                            Originally posted by Baguamonk1 View Post
                            There is a McDojo in Dallas that claims to teach Shaolin (I have been there, they teach karate/kempo and pretend its Shaolin) that has similar, if not even more prestigous "clients."
                            And which nation's president is their student? George W. Bush maybe? Or is there another national president who lives there?

                            Originally posted by Baguamonk1 View Post
                            Furthermore, there are many cults and martial art organizations that share the same traits.It doesn't mean anything.
                            What traits? And what Origanisations and Cults? Empty words again, I'm afraid
                            Sifu Andrew Barnett
                            Shaolin Wahnam Switzerland - www.shaolin-wahnam.ch

                            Flowing Health GmbH www.flowing-health.ch (Facebook: www.facebook.com/sifuandrew)
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                            • #15
                              Please, its common sense. Look up any cults, and you will see some with some high-profile members. Some say Scientology is a cult (based around religion), and look at its "clients."

                              Borrow a sword to murder? I am not murdering anything. I don't think I've said anything that has damaged the reputation of your school in this thread. Furthermore, when all of you gang up on one person, you do it all the time. I just don't think its relevant as to why its not "fake." Its not like successful people are naturally born with all the knowledge of martial arts in the world, and know how to spot or detect a phony. They are just people, who happen to be more successful than others.
                              Last edited by Baguamonk1; 10 January 2007, 08:08 AM.

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