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    Here's another article about taiji, taken from the Independent newspaper (UK) today.

    I've recently restarted taiji (World Taiji Boxing Association), and like the author, hope it will strengthen my quad, and let me do what I want to do.

    Stretching eastwards

    The graceful art of t'ai chi can help with conditions from arthritis to MS, doctors now believe. But only if you can find the right teacher, says Clint Witchalls
    22 March 2004


    It's an unusually warm day in March, and I'm on Clapham Common learning to grasp the bird's tail. "Bend your waist and press down your right palm," says the instructor, Othmar Vigl. No, I haven't taken up ornithology, I'm practising the ancient Chinese art of t'ai chi ch'uan.

    When I was 13, I ruptured the cruciate ligament in my right knee. With no ligament to stabilise my knee's movement, the cartilage between the femur and tibia - known as the meniscus - became fragmented. Bits of chipped meniscus floated around my knee, eventually causing the joint to seize up completely when I was 25. After undergoing keyhole surgery to remove the loose bits of cartilage, the hospital's physiotherapist gave me some exercises to strengthen my quadriceps. She told me that arthritis is a given, unless I stay slim my entire life and keep my quads strong (to act as substitute knee stabilisers). She suggested I take up t'ai chi. After 13 years of doing little with this advice, my knee has started to give me trouble again. Time for a bit of preventative medicine, if I'm not too late. Cue the t'ai chi lesson.

    The pain in my knee wasn't the only spur that prompted me to take up t'ai chi. Dr Chenchen Wang, of Tufts-New England Medical Centre in Boston, conducted a review of a number of studies that had investigated the benefits of t'ai chi. The studies showed that t'ai chi provides benefits to people with chronic health problems, including arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and acute myocardial infarction. However, it must be noted that Dr Wang was critical of the quality of many of the studies. The findings were published in this month's issue of The Archives of Internal Medicine.

    The origins of t'ai chi ch'uan are obscure. In one account, a Taoist monk, Chang San-Feng received t'ai chi teachings in a series of dreams. Others say that t'ai chi was developed by a Ming Dynasty army general called Chen Wang-Ting, and that he based t'ai chi on a Shaolin Temple kung fu style called Red Fist.

    T'ai chi consists of many different exercises, but the one that most people recognise is called the "form," ie, the slow, graceful movements that segue from "grasping the birds tail" to "single whip" to "cloud hands," and so on. The form I'm learning is called the Wudang short form, and it's taught by the Practical T'ai Chi Ch'uan academy, run by the formidable fighter, Dan Docherty.

    Docherty says that some people confuse t'ai chi with qi gong (a form of gentle exercise). He reminds me that "ch'uan" means fist. Not all clubs teach the martial aspect of t'ai chi, but Practical T'ai Chi Ch'uan offers a full syllabus, including various forms (long, short, round and square), pushing hands, nei kung (for developing strength), fighting application, and sparring. However, he says that not everyone has the same physicality, and that the training must be tailored to the student's abilities.

    One of Docherty's students came to the club supported by two walking sticks. He'd suffered a stroke and was looking for some rehabilitative exercise. For a long time the student just worked on the opening sequence of the form. After a while, he was able to progress to other more intricate moves as his condition improved. T'ai chi may also benefit people in ways that have yet to be documented. "I had one chap who was impotent. I taught him some internal strength exercises, and eventually he got married," says Docherty with a laugh.

    Valerie Ward has also experienced the health benefits of t'ai chi. She does Lam-style t'ai chi in Camden, London. She is 67, and has osteoporosis and arthritis in her knees. "I started t'ai chi three years ago," she says. "It's transformed my life, really. I had weak thigh muscles and no balance. I did the exercises, which seemed to be quite simple, and I got stronger and stronger. In fact in June, my husband and I are going off to South America, up into the Andes and down into the Amazon rainforest, and I'm sure I couldn't have done that a few years ago." The oldest person in Valerie's class is 97.

    Recent research by Emory University showed that practising t'ai chi regularly can reduce falls in the elderly by up to 40 per cent. "For most health authorities, falls prevention is a big area of interest because it costs the health service so much money, and when elderly people fall, the scenario frequently ends in death, but only after a long period of hospitalisation," says Linda Chase Broda. Broda heads up an organisation called The T'ai Chi and Chi Kung Forum for Health and Special Needs ("the Forum"), a network of people interested in widening the availability of t'ai chi to anyone, regardless of age, physical or mental ability or condition of health.

    Many people will attest to the benefits of t'ai chi, but how does one go about finding a reputable instructor? Sadly, the field is awash with "failed yoga instructors". They've done a course on t'ai chi or, worse, they've watched a few training videos, and now they're teaching at a church hall near you. One local school, who'd been marketing quite aggressively, wouldn't give the name of their chief instructor, nor would they say where he'd learned his t'ai chi. I asked if it was a secret. The woman said, "No. We just don't discuss that."

    "The problem with t'ai chi is that, at the end of the day, there are no 'credentials' as such, and that, if you find someone offering them, you wonder where they've come from," says James Drewe, vice-chairman of the Longfei Taijiquan Association. "In t'ai chi, the credentials are usually your teacher, or the length of time you have been learning for; although, the latter certainly may not mean a lot in some cases."

    Drewe offers the following guidelines when looking for a good t'ai chi club: 1) Find out who the main instructor is, and whether or not you are going to be taught by him/her or by a student. 2) Ask who the main instructor has learnt from. 3) Which style and forms are practised? 4) Is the emphasis is on health or martial arts, or a blend, and does this alter as you progress? The catch-22 though is that you need to know a bit about t'ai chi already in order to know whether you're getting sensible answers.

    Ronnie Robinson, secretary of the official t'ai chi governing body, the T'ai Chi Union for Great Britain (TCUGB), estimates that a mere 30 per cent of t'ai chi instructors are registered with the Union. That's not to say that any instructor not registered with the Union is a poor instructor, but it at least gives someone looking for a class the comfort of knowing that the teacher's credentials have been vetted and approved by an august panel of t'ai chi veterans. Robinson says that some instructors emphasise the martial aspect and some the health aspect of t'ai chi. He says that a good instructor should emphasise both.

    At the end of my two-hour t'ai chi lesson on the common, I feel that both aspects of the art have been well covered, and I don't feel any twinges in my knee. Usually exercise leaves me feeling sapped but, strangely, I feel more energised than when I started the lesson. Perhaps this is the start of something good.

    T'ai chi: how to make the right moves

    * Don't attempt to learn t'ai chi from a video or book.

    * Find a reputable school through the T'ai Chi Union for Great Britain or the British Council for Chinese Martial Arts (see website link below).

    * Don't pay upfront. Ask if you can watch one of the classes. If the instructor refuses, go elsewhere.

    * If you have joint problems, avoid the more vigorous Chen style, which requires a fair amount of strength and flexibility.

    * Not all t'ai chi schools provide an aerobic or weight-training element. Check with the instructor to see if they provide these elements of training. If not, you may want to supplement your exercise regime with some additional training.

    * T'ai chi should not cause you pain. If you feel pain while doing any of the t'ai chi moves, stop and tell the instructor.

    Some useful t'ai chi links:

    * T'ai Chi Union for Great Britain: www.taichiunion.com

    * British Council for Chinese Martial Arts: www.bccma.com/about/bccma.asp

    * Practical T'ai Chi Ch'uan: www.taichichuan.co.uk (for full-syllabus t'ai chi)

    * James Drewe: www.taiji.co.uk (for full-syllabus t'ai chi, as well as classes tailored for those over the age of 60)

    * Lam Kam-Chuen www.lamassociation.org (focuses mainly on the healing aspect of the art. Also runs courses specifically for the elderly)











    Stretching eastwards
    Last edited by Smokin Joe; 22 March 2004, 10:39 PM.

  • #2
    Massive problem! It's British! I'm not British! Give me an Australian Association!

    *coughs and gets off the tangent* But yes, a very nice article, I wish we had something similar here in Australia, for instance In Bendigo where I live, I've tried out all the Taiji schools around here. Only two are of any good (apart from mine, ours is Shaolin Wahnam, but we don't advertise, it's pretty much because our Head Instructor has a wife who has cancer isn't taking on any new students, so I'm not counting it) One is another Branch of Shaolin Wahnam (politics, not going into it) and the other is a Wu school, and you definately know who taught their head instructor, the head Instructor almost worships him like a god, it's unnerving.

    But the problem is, there's a place out with the YMCA that advertises as "Tai Chi" I went out there to check it out, and had a talk with their head instructor. It was all for "health" I sat through a lesson watching and feeling. By the end I was nearly insane. Their health benefits, were doing more harm to their body than they were fixing, proper stances were thrown out the window, the energy flow was all wrong, it was horrendous. When asked by the instructor, in front of the class, I said exactly that (It was a mutilation of the Yang short form.) When challenged on what I knew about it, I demonstrated.

    Now the point of the above isn't a ego thing, but for this point, at the end nearly all of the class looked at the way they'd been learning compared with what I did. They saw almost two entirely different things. I gave them the addresses of both the other schools I respected. Nearly every single one left. I hate to see people injuring themself under poor instruction, which I also told him, and advised him to go to either of them. As far as I know he's still teaching 'Tai Chi' but due to no legislation nothing can be done. Regrettably.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the article. Now I must stress that I am not a Taijiquan practitioner. However, I'd like to comment on the points listed at the end .... and I trust my Taijiquan brothers and sisters will also comment.

      * Don't attempt to learn t'ai chi from a video or book.
      Agreed
      * Find a reputable school through the T'ai Chi Union for Great Britain or the British Council for Chinese Martial Arts (see website link below).
      Seems like advertising. Not all schools need to be registered with any particular organisation to be good or reputable. I don't think a Wahnam Taijiquan school would be likely to be registered (as an example).
      * Don't pay upfront. Ask if you can watch one of the classes. If the instructor refuses, go elsewhere.
      If it is just paying for the session I'd disagree. If it's paying for a long term contract without having seen (or MUCH better participating in) a class then I'd agree.
      * If you have joint problems, avoid the more vigorous Chen style, which requires a fair amount of strength and flexibility.
      Have to pass on this one.
      * Not all t'ai chi schools provide an aerobic or weight-training element. Check with the instructor to see if they provide these elements of training. If not, you may want to supplement your exercise regime with some additional training.
      As I understand it, if you practice genuine Taijiquan you do not need weight training or aerobics in addition.
      * T'ai chi should not cause you pain. If you feel pain while doing any of the t'ai chi moves, stop and tell the instructor.
      Always good to tell the instructor if something doesn't feel right.

      Looking back at my comments, they seem to apply to Kung Fu in general and not just to Taijiquan

      Andrew
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      • #4
        Smokin'

        Tx for the article - good to see Dan Docherty getting some publicity and in a health context too.

        Andrew

        Originally posted by WahnamCH
        Seems like advertising. Not all schools need to be registered with any particular organisation to be good or reputable. I don't think a Wahnam Taijiquan school would be likely to be registered (as an example).
        I can see where you are coming from but:

        i) re advertising - (a) its a newspaper article and if there isn't any then people don't know how to follow-thru, (b) its not one schoold advertising but an umbrella organisation.

        ii) 'not all schools need to be registered...' of course (and that is acknowledged in the article).

        The first Tai Chi school I went to was a local council run one (and convenient). I got seriously injured there by an uninsured instructor (in bed with concussion for over a week).

        There is this tension in TCMA and TCM (and many other things relying on lineage methods) that letting 'a thousand flowers bloom' produces a wide range of outcomes - from splendid to abysmal.

        The problem for the novice consumer is that not only does he not know which is which but he doesn't even understand enough of the art to form a view. To this extent he falls back on the well-marketed or simply convenient.

        Hence the issue of enforced regulation (as we have seen mentioned here re TCM) or setting up a 'self-regulatory' organisation (as with TCUGB).

        Given my experience I would agree with the article's point that going via TCUGB gives some 'downside protection' to the novice buyer - you are unlikely to meet Kalai's story that way.

        Of course the more schools that align themselves with such umbrella's as the TCUGB the better.

        If you can't beat it, join it?

        Mike
        "If you realised how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought." Peace Pilgrim.

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        • #5
          Hi Mike (how did I know you'd reply )

          I agree with a lot of what you say. BUT the issue is with the quality of the umbrella organisation. I must add here that I know nothing of the particular organisation(s) mentioned in the article so do not and will not make any criticism of them.

          The problem I have is that there are umbrella organisations who set themselves up and start regulating without actually being any good themselves or, worse, without having a real understanding of what they are regulating. This is where it all gets difficult. The umbrella organisations set out regulations for membership and teachers and then become the authorities on the art or arts their organisation covers. People run to them because they have a name and are known. And, if you want to "fit in" you have to join them. By joining them you add credibility to what they are.

          I know of organisations that fit this bill but will not name them here. From what I have seen, it seems a particular problem with Tai Chi and Chi Kung.

          Andrew
          Sifu Andrew Barnett
          Shaolin Wahnam Switzerland - www.shaolin-wahnam.ch

          Flowing Health GmbH www.flowing-health.ch (Facebook: www.facebook.com/sifuandrew)
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          • #6
            Andrew

            I think we are struggling to differ here

            On the specific side the Tai Chi Union for GB is entirely solid and respectable (and Dan Docherty is a large part (he once wrote an interesting article along the lines of being the kind of person who would never join such a thing and then helping to found one, must be age sort of thing)). Established in 1991 there are over 400 registered instructors of all recognised styles.

            On the general front I have read arguments for no regulation, regulation, self-regulation and a mixture. I personally don't have a view on what is the best way - as you effectively say each is capable of being done badly.

            However it is a mite inconsistent perhaps both (a) to bemoan the generally poor standard of TC teaching and (b) not to take any position on what ought to be done about it [I missed this angle from my first reply - it was the only real chance I had at pinning you down on this one ]. In other words, arguably an organisation that takes a strong position on 'Tai Chi Dance' ought also to give some thought to standard setting of one sort or another?!

            But there again that might just be a WudangTC-er bias...

            Mike
            "If you realised how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought." Peace Pilgrim.

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            • #7
              ...and just to pin you down so that you can't even wriggle old WahnamCH I see that Sifu Wong wrote an article for the TCUGB magazine Issue 9 (which is one the website - unfortunately like many of these framed website (hi wahnam webmaster!) I can't give the link - its under the articles section though...).

              MB
              "If you realised how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought." Peace Pilgrim.

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              • #8
                Hi Everyone,

                This has said it all for me with regards to umbrella organisations:

                ........Docherty says that some people confuse t'ai chi with qi gong (a form of gentle exercise).......

                1) Tai Chi Chuan is Qigong but also includes the martial aspects.
                2) There isn't one mention of chi in the whole article.
                3) Qi gong is much more than a form of gentle exercise, but unfortunately this is what is being taught widely today. It incorporates form, breathing and mind focus to generate energy and not just form on its own.

                This is also happening here in Ireland with regards to TCM organisations, describing Qigong and Tai Chi Chuan as gentle exercise, they obviously have never experienced a 'chi flow' in their training as once this happens you can never go back and tell people that you are just doing 'gentle exercise'.

                Smile from the Heart,
                Joan
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                • #9
                  Joan Sije

                  Don't forget this article is written by a journalist - what they write may not be what was said. Equally they chose what they write about.

                  I don't think you can criticise TCUGB without knowing something about it - not least of which as per the article 30% of the UK's instructors are listed!

                  I am sure you don't intend to cast aspersions on DD - after all he is one of the west's most recognised authorities on tai chi (and in a Sifu Q&A, Sifu speaks highly of Dan's teacher Chen Ting Hung). I have heard many opinions of Dan but none of them have been that he isn't an expert on Tai Chi. If he is accurately quoted re TC and CK then I am sure the context is that people think TC is soft only and lacks the hard - yin without yang. As to whether CK is TC or TC is CK I have seen both said - its in part a question of definition and the type of semantics that generates more heat than light.

                  The issue of 'chi in Tai Chi' has cropped up several times here. Firstly the 'chi's aren't the same chi in chinese and secondly different schools have differing emphases - SWTC emphasises it more than others. [Eg I have never heard Dan talk about chi flow but he was after all a world martial arts all styles champion. No-one can confuse DD with a tai-chi player or dancer.]. Thirdly and with great respect to SW as a school many of my chums here do say 'I personally don't do TC but...' (do you do Tai Chi?). Maybe I should add a few posts on KF - "I don't do KF myself but what I think is..."

                  Anyway apologies for soapbox mode here but I feel honour bound to defend my teacher.

                  Mike
                  "If you realised how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought." Peace Pilgrim.

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                  • #10
                    Time to calm things down a bit maybe?

                    But before that
                    Established in 1991 there are over 400 registered instructors of all recognised styles.
                    Fine. I'm afraid the size and age don't really mean that much. If the organisation is good, then that's great .... I am in no position to judge from here.

                    In other words, arguably an organisation that takes a strong position on 'Tai Chi Dance' ought also to give some thought to standard setting of one sort or another?!
                    Interesting thought. But I don't remember anyone saying that Tai Chi Dance should be abolished (if anyone does find anything like that, please let me know). More, it is a case of not giving the impression that Tai Chi Dance is all there is. And there is a lot of that going around.

                    ...and just to pin you down so that you can't even wriggle old WahnamCH I see that Sifu Wong wrote an article for the TCUGB magazine Issue 9
                    Nice try but not good enough. Having an article published in a magazine doesn't imply anything.

                    Thirdly and with great respect to SW as a school many of my chums here do say 'I personally don't do TC but...' (do you do Tai Chi?). Maybe I should add a few posts on KF - "I don't do KF myself but what I think is..."
                    You are very right. But please don't forget that Taijiquan IS Kung Fu. What we relate back to are the common elements and not the uncommon elements which we have no personal knowledge nor experience of.

                    Andrew
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                    • #11
                      And P.S.
                      Anyway apologies for soapbox mode here but I feel honour bound to defend my teacher.
                      No apology required .... but also no defence required. I don't think anyone was attacking anyone else.

                      Andrew
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by WahnamCH
                        [B]But please don't forget that Taijiquan IS Kung Fu.[B]
                        Well that passing shot wins a point - I was so busy trying to recall whether CK is TC or TC is CK and if so who said what that I had forgotten that also TC is KF... I better start contributing to the KF forum now... (that one boomeranged on you didn't it )

                        Originally posted by WahnamCH
                        What we relate back to are the common elements and not the uncommon elements which we have no personal knowledge nor experience of.
                        Sure - although from a purely technical point as 'chi' is a strong part of ShW-KF (and as I understand it - altho' I have only read the book, not practiced it - ShW-TC) there is often a premise that ergo 'chi' is the focus of other TC schools (and even worse sometimes an implication that if it isn't they aren't up to snuff).

                        I think this is the premise that I find at best unproven and at worse a postulate made on the basis of one school's approach rather than a survey of leading TC schools as a whole.

                        I had a good chat with hubert about this - he had trained under one of Dan's students and had not heard chi mentioned (and has converted to ShWCK&KF instead). There was also an interesting thread in the TC forum recently on more than one way to skin the TC cat.


                        Anyway that's all a bit of a digression. Cooling it a bit I don't believe that Joan intended to libel DD (or if she did it was in the absence of knowing who he was - not least of all as having Dan and the boys turn up on one's doorstep is not to be desired ). However I am sure we would all defend Sifu's reputation in other fora so you at least know where I am coming from (even if the soapbox was too big!).

                        rgds

                        Mike
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                        • #13
                          Well that passing shot wins a point
                          YAY!

                          However I am sure we would all defend Sifu's reputation in other fora so you at least know where I am coming from
                          Got to agree with you on that one.

                          Andrew
                          Sifu Andrew Barnett
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                          • #14
                            Hi Mike B,

                            I certainly don't wish to argue with you, I see this as more of a discussion

                            I also didn't mean to cast aspersions on Dan Docherty in particular, but reading that article makes me cringe, when they mention Chi Kung as 'gentle exercise'. If it is the fault of the journalist, then I wish that they were more informed before writing.
                            My wish is to promote both Chi Kung and Tai Chi Chuan to help people have a much better quality of life, overcome chronic illness and in the case of Tai Chi Chuan to practice it also as a martial art and reach the highest achievement of Tai Chi Chuan which is spiritual joy.

                            To me 'chi' is intrinsic to both arts. I had practiced both at a lower level for three years before becoming a student of Sifu's. So, yes I am a student of Tai Chi Chuan. The difference that 'energy flow' makes is huge. You will not only feel the heat but see the light

                            Perhaps we are digressing from the point really in that the 'article' was highlighting the good news that there is hope for people with chronic illness and although we at Wahnam know this, I am glad that the TCUGB are also able to get this fact published and the newspapers to take notice. There is still a great deal of public and medical disbelief despite the 'proof'.

                            So well done,

                            Best wishes,
                            Joan.
                            Books don't mean a lot unless you open them, Hearts are the same.......


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                            • #15
                              there is often a premise that ergo 'chi' is the focus of other TC schools (and even worse sometimes an implication that if it isn't they aren't up to snuff).
                              Not all schools talk about Qi, but that doesn't mean they don't cultivate it. However, if there really is no cultivation, that seems like a problem to me. Taijiquan without Qi seems to be missing a key ingredient, an ingredient clearly indicated in Taijiquan literature. Without cultivation of energy (qi) and mind (shen), how can it be used for health and vitality, let alone combat?

                              On the other hand, I can understand that Qi just might not be a focus or an emphasis in the beginning for some schools.
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