What is genuine, traditional Taijiquan?

[Andrew]

Since when is Jing the Martial Aspects?

yeniseri --- do you actually understand that quote? Somehow I doubt it.

Andrew

[yeniseri]

absolutely

Since when is Jing the Martial Aspects?

yeniseri --- do you actually understand that quote? Somehow I doubt it.

Andrew

It is not my habit to tell people how to think, feel, experience or prompt so I purposely did not explain my previous statement becaise I felt the forum members understood the words and their meaning. If you feel they can benefit from my explanation, I will be more than happy to explain, if that is OK with you, of course.
Just let me know, if you do not mind.

[Akemi]

Dear Yeniseri,

Can you define in clear, concise and understandable terms Jing, Qi, and Shen?

Can you also explain that quote as you understand it to us? I'm assuming you're relating it to what is going on in the thread somehow.

Regards,

[yeniseri]

I am awaiting WahnamCH reply

Dear Yeniseri,

Can you define in clear, concise and understandable terms Jing, Qi, and Shen?

Can you also explain that quote as you understand it to us? I'm assuming you're relating it to what is going on in the thread somehow.

Regards,

Dear Vanessa,

If the forum members understand what the words means, then I see no reason to overfill their cup (explain what they have been told or what they know as I will respect that). If they do not, then as I state, I will be more than happy to clarify. Otherwise, I see to reason to go overboard just to hear my own voice and waste people time.
San bao is part of basics so the forum already is familiar with its meaning based on their excellent instruction.

[Akemi]

That's what I thought you were going to say.

Still, I try.

[Pooh Bear]

"High level practitioners cultivate shen,
Middling practitioners cultivate qi,
and low level cultivate jing".

Is this maybe a little error in typing? that you typed "jing" instead of "jin". Then the saying would make some more (obvious) sense.
Martial people often try to cultivate their various jins.
Just a thought.

[yeniseri]

terrible speller; let me acknowledge

Pooh Bear,

I will hit 2 birds with one stone by adding a link plus displaying that san bao (three treasures) are noted as jingqishen (jing, qi, shen, jin chi shen and the list is numerous). Some people spell as jin, others use jing so it depends on the reference and the association.
I am sure if you search on your own, you will find differences.
no worries
thanks

http://www.three-treasures.com/

[Jamie Robson]

'A Rewarding Experience'

Hello

I'm currently in Malaysia, so have not been following this particular situation.

I am very upset with a number of comments by non-WahNam members.
I am very impressed with how my Brothers & Sisters have handled these remarks.

I would like to offer a 'Free Lesson' to the offenders within this thread -

"I will easily defeat your Tai Chi Chuan or Shaolin Kung Fu using 1 pattern only"

Please feel free to contact me privately to organise the lesson.

Love & Respect

[Baguamonk1]

*burrows himself into a hole*

I'm scared

Yen, we are going to die. Our ignorance and inferiority shall be punished switftly...with just one pattern! Dang we suck.

PS I did not mean to imply that jing only relates to martial development, but someone who focuses only on this one thing...is only seeing a small picture.

[Mark Blohm]

Intention

Yen, we are going to die. Our ignorance and inferiority shall be punished switftly...with just one pattern! Dang we suck.

Baguamonk1,

Are you surprised?

This is a Traditional Kung Fu school. In post #131 you quite rudely paraphrased Darryl, Jamie's Sifu by saying

"Don't post unless it agrees 100% with our views, or according to the rocket science that is internet posting, people will gang up on you, create threads, and make you look really really bad..Oh and we'll also call you someone with no skill, ignorant, and no grasp of martial arts,maybe throw in some indirect internet bum comments with cheesy puffs comments, there, is that good enough incentive"

More insulting jabs:

#143

And maybe if you saw what was going on you would see the reason for my attitude.

#144

Oh and all the quotes you used of me to insult "teachers" or masters were not there until someone insulted me or berated me first.

This "holier than thou" attitude is more condescending than any of my supposed insults.

From the evidence, one could conclude that your intent was to invoke such a response. Well, you got it.


Jamie,

Much love and respect.


Mark

[Ronan]

I'm scared

Yen, we are going to die. Our ignorance and inferiority shall be punished switftly...with just one pattern! Dang we suck.

Why are you scared? Jamie only offered for you to contact him, he didn't say he was coming to find you, and seeing as you aren't going to contact him you've nothing to worry about. You're still safe and sound in your anonymous little bubble, blobbing out behind your computer and stuffing your face with Cheesy Puffs

I don't know if you realise how cowardly your actions are but you probably don't care. I would feel like such a worm if I had anonymously posted all the things you had. You don't even have the courage to show us a picture of yourself and stand behind everything you write. I hope one day you're confident enough in your beliefs and then maybe you wouldn't have to voice them anonymously.

Best wishes

[Antonius]

I figured Jamie was aiming more at those like Liokault, but it doesn't really matter. The point is clear, although, as usual, people will probably miss it. And as usual, I'll spell it out.

Jamie isn't big on words. He's a good fighter, and prefers to "argue" with his fists. Personally, I find it to be a refreshing change.

I'll tell a quick story. The son of Lu Shui Tien, a famous Baguazhang master, was not big on words, and was known as a tough fighter. One day, a bunch of kung fu "masters" were seated around a table discussing technique. There was a lot of talking and arguing going on. Eventually, Lu Shui Tien's son had enough. He stood up, slapped his hands on the table, and said, "If anyone would like to argue with me, I'll be waiting out back." Lu Shui Tien's son waited for an hour, but no one came out.

By the way, Baguamonk, I find your suggestion that we somehow started it to be amusing. Please answer the following question with a simple yes or no answer: Prior to coming to our forum, did you post negative comments about Shaolin Wahnam and Sifu Wong on other forums?

[Andrew]

Yeniseri ---- thank you for once again confirming we are wasting our time with you. You can't even offer a direct answer to a direct question. Please stop wasting our time and the time of our visitors and members. If, at some point in the far distant future, you have anything of value to add, please do let us know.

On another note, I applaud Jamie's clear and concise message. I just wonder how many will truly understand it.

Andrew

[Kevin]

Jamie's "come here for a free lesson" statement sounds very school-yard-like to me. He offers a "free lesson", but what I'm hearing is "Come see me, and I'll teach you a lesson..with my fists". A while back, a non-Wahnam Forum member made a similar statement to me, because I was disagreeing with him, and everyone here took it as a physical threat.

He states that he's upset by some comments of non-Wahnam members, but instead of offering anything intellectual (as the Wahnam Sifus have been readily doing), he offers the "come see me and I'll show you" option. It's like someone in grade school who hears someone say something they don't like or agree with, so they just go over and push them down, tell them they are wrong, end of story. Sifu Korahais applauds Jamie for his statement, yet I see it as maybe someone who can't offer anything intellectual, or outside of the realm of throwing kicks and punches.

Now I understand that some would say that Jamie is avoiding intellectual speculations and arguments, and is attempting to solve the matter simply and directly, avoiding the confusion of words. That his offer is meant in peace and is meant to truly help others. I don't see it that way.

I understand that Wahnam is a Traditional Kung Fu school. But it's also 2006. Gone are the days of, "You insult my style..how dare you..prove yourself to me in combat (or sparring)". Why anyone would feel the need to prove their style is better by challenging (or offering a "free lesson") to someone is beyond me. What positive could come from it, other than if Jamie perhaps knocked the person on their behind, he'd feel better about himself. If Jamie was the one who ended up on the ground, I'm sure we'd hear that it's not because Shaolin Kung Fu can't be used for fighting, but because Jamie just happened to not use it to it's full potential at that particular moment.
Who wins?

Maybe the kung fu "masters" in Sifu Korahais' story were just wiser than Lu Shui Tien (he sounds a bit impatient if people sitting around talking upset him that much), and knew that nothing useful would come of fighting.

Again, this is just my opinion..and everyone will have their own. Hopefully I won't be told that I have a blockage or unclear mind because I don't agree with Jamie.

Best to all,
Kevin

[Akemi]

Nice of you to pop in, Kevin.

"I will easily defeat your Tai Chi Chuan or Shaolin Kung Fu using 1 pattern only"

Did you pm Jamie, Kevin? Or did you simply react?

I understand that Wahnam is a Traditional Kung Fu school. But it's also 2006. Gone are the days of, "You insult my style..how dare you..prove yourself to me in combat (or sparring)".

In case you haven't noticed, we are a traditional Kung Fu school that has an excellent sparring methodology. We're good at physical and verbal sparring. We give our guests the benefit of the doubt, and are very polite. If we are insulted, or misinformation is spread, we take a stance.

The issue isn't with us. It's that usually those who come here, and start challenging can't spar at our level.

Approaching an attack with a clear mind and a smiling heart is part of our training. Mark Sisook reiterated in the preparing for combat thread that most fights are won in the mind.

Again, this is just my opinion..and everyone will have their own. Hopefully I won't be told that I have a blockage or unclear mind

You won't be told you have a blockage and unclear mind if your writing and actions on the forum come through as clear and without ulterior motives, or from a place of pure reaction.