Discussion with Wu Jing - take 2

[steve]

Barry,

When I teased Wu Jing, he took offense. The situation didn't escalate. It was diffused almost immediately.

I don't choose sides, I prefer fairness.

Charles,

Mare's nest (in this case)
The verbal sparring seems to be of importance, but actually it's not. It's causing a disorderly situation.


Wu Jing is a harmless show off. He might have shown off something interesting

[Matt F.]

drop360,


I was young once. At that time in my life i did not know nei kung and the butterfly twist is standard in contemporary wushu. Yes my sifu used these terms to describe it to me too.



I don't remember saying that.

What I was saying is that I'm not used to seeing someone use Western terms for energry, and have that same person believe that the energy is actually doing anything. Usually when Western terms are used, that person believes that chi is only an outdated term for proper body mechanics, or similar. My point was that you are using Western terms, but are very strongly saying that energy is the source of your skill, and not just the body mechanics. It's an interesting combination, that's all.

Do you know when the Western terms were introduced into your school? Is your teacher also an American? It seems as though Western terms would be easier for a Western student to wrap their thoughts around, but on the flip side, does it completely convey the correct happenings? Also, how important is understaning the concepts of Nei Gung to the growth of the student? From my limited experience with Shaolin Wahnam, it seems like intellectual understanding can often get in the way for the beginning student. Do you think this would also be the case with Nei Gung?

-Matt

[Darryl]

Enough

Dear Wu Jing,

Why on earth would any of us want to learn from your 'junior instructors' when even our junior students are of a higher level than you? This already has me laughing along (I also enjoy a good joke).

Your style of writing and the emotional outbursts are very telling. Several kind people have tried many times to alert you to this but you have either ignored them or responded with hostility. To help avoid any possible confusion, I'll be blunt.

You may think you are high level - you are not.
You may think you have something to offer us - you do not.
You may want closer ties between our schools - we do not.
You may think we view you as an equal - we do not.
You issued a challenge to one of the Instructors and regular students also accepted it. Did this not tell you something?

Please stop wasting our time

[Darryl]

Dear Steve,

We are fair. We are just. This thread was very useful and it was never 'disorderly'. Wu Jing did show us something interesting but whether or not you noticed it is debatable.

This was not a Mare's Nest

[barrys]

Steve,

When I teased Wu Jing, he took offense. The situation didn't escalate. It was diffused almost immediately.

Yes, I noticed that. But not diffused in Wu Jing for long. It seems difficult, as you found, to find responses to Wu Jing that don't lead to upset for him and disharmony. It has been useful to watch him and the way other people handle things. So he did show something interesting.

If long term practise led in the direction of frequent upset to responses I wouldn't want to practise that. For me, moving in the direction of good health, vitality & clarity/peace of mind is a baseline.

With metta,

Barry

[Maxime]

Dear Shaolin Family,

I echo Darryl Sihing first post' words 100%.

Shaolin Salute

[Charles David]

Dear Adam,

Thank you for posting the forum rules so that we could review them. Thank you also for posting the principles of Martial Etiquette.

If I am interpreting correctly, you are suggesting that we ban Wu Jing, as he has violated our forum rules on a number of occasions, even after being warned several times. Yes, it is true that he has been insulting and disrespectful, and normally such a person would be banned. He has, however, made for quite an interesting thread, and given us an opportunity to practice our Arts. For these reasons we have allowed him to stay. Whether we will continue to allow him to stay is another matter.

Needless to say, I too concur with Barry and Darryl Sihengs in their estimations and judgements.


With Shaolin Salutation,

[steve]

You guys are being bias. You say that you have been fair, but you guys have definitely contributed towards escalating things. Eg. Roland comes out with guns blazing, then switches to chill out?? What's that?

Be Honest!

I say again, Wu Jing is no threat. There was no fight to start off with.

If you argue to win, take sides, etc then everybody loses. Find agreement that's helpful to all.

There's nothing to defend.

[Mazeppa]

I say again, Wu Jing is no threat. There was no fight to start off with.

If you argue to win, take sides, etc then everybody loses. Find agreement that's helpful to all.

There's nothing to defend.

I agree. There is no fight. We are all on the same side: looking for "Truth".

[Marcus]

Enough is enough.

Wu Jing, I for one will no longer be following this thread or any other thread by you (unless it becomes necessary to debunk any more of your mis-leading nonsense). I have watched this "discussion" with interest and after observing:

1. Your general conduct on the forum
2. reading your posts
3. your belief that it takes hours a day to attain what can be attained (and has been attained by our students) in 15-30 minutes a day
4. you throwing your weight around and issuing challanges(yawn)
5. you attempting to teach your art to Shaolin Wahnam students
6. you coming on to my schools forum as a guest and presuming that our Arts are lacking

As a result I have concluded Wu Jing that you have nothing of value to offer here. I believe my Wahnam brothers and sisters have been far too nice to you, but I believe in calling a spade a spade.

As Darryl wrote in his post - "Please stop wasting our time".


Steve, I agree with you that Wu Jing is no threat. His behaviour here on the forum has made that clear. There is one area though where I disagree with you:

• Allowing a guest on our forum to write misleading material without challenging it, is very damaging to those who read it and end up being mis-informed by it.

This cannot be allowed to happen. Not only does it harm the forums reputation as being a source of reliable information, it can have negative consequences for anyone who may follow the advice. We have a duty of care to all our members.

And whilst I'm on the subject. Speaking only for myself, I find the content of many of your posts inappropriate for a Shaolin Wahnam student. As a quick example from your most recent post on this thread:

You guys are being bias. You say that you have been fair, but you guys have definitely contributed towards escalating things. Eg. Roland comes out with guns blazing, then switches to chill out?? What's that?

I find such a comment about instructors and students of the Shaolin Wahnam Institute unacceptable - especially as it comes from a Shaolin Wahnam student. I want to remind you that being a Shaolin Wahnam student is not just a title you get because you attended a course with Sifu. It is a privilege and an honour that must be earned.

My time is precious and I have used up the time I allotted to this subject, so will get back to more enjoyable activities. I wanted to make my position clear and put my views on record. That done I will not be wasting my time entering into an on going dialogue on this matter.

Regards
Marcus
Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha

[Wu Jing]

Thats just fine

I have said repeatedly i did not want to argue. I have said i only want to talk about chi kung. I have apologized for anything i might have implied on accident. I tried changing the subject. I even took a few days and did not post.

And i have answered questions on my training and i never had a problem with that.

But yet somehow its made to look like i just want to argue or something.

I am sorry but thats just not the truth.

I never called anyone out of their name, I never said anyone was inferior to me, and i never said anything negative about Wahnam. Period.

But i have been called and accused of a lot of things.

But i do agree that there was a lot of misunderstandings.

[Daniel]

I support both Marcus and Darryl,

Wu Jing, I think we have committed some mistakes in letting a low level (bot in conduct and in internal arts) person made misleading comments and waste our time.

Any Shaolin Wahnam student would have no problem in seeing your mind and energy levels so why don´t you mind your own bussiness in a more appropiate place for you.

[Wu Jing]

just for the reocrd

What misleading material did i write? Which is another accusation and insult but it seems like you guys don't see what you do but whatever.

[steve]

Fundamentalism

One word comes to mind about this ganging up behavior - fundamentalism.

There are others that have mentioned their distaste about this, but are afraid to speak up.

It's not healthy - for the students, for Wahnam, for Sifu and for business.

[Mark Blohm]

Steve,

I didn't address your posts before because I thought it untactful. This however warrants my response:

It's not healthy - for the students, for Wahnam, for Sifu and for business.

Sifu knows what's best for us. Sifu knows what's best for Sifu. Our school is not run like a republic. Sifu is much wiser than us, and that is why it works so well.

Please, be respectful to our Sifu.