Zhang boduan inner alchemy

[HugoDarien]

Zhang boduan inner alchemy

Hello HugoDarien ,

Often Taoist Masters cite the Huang Di Chiu Ding Shen Dan Jing as the best book on Taoist immortality methods. Aaron

Aaron who written or who is the author of that book? Can we buy it some where or is still the book available to read?

Aaron I believe that Master cited the book by Wei Po-Yang the king of Taoism Immortality? ( Sifu said in his book the Art of Chi Kung that this book is regard as the king of Taoism Immortality!)

I wonder if your Master said the same that this book by Wei Bo Yang is the King of Taoism Immortality that we can read today?

My own Master's favorite Taoism book are the inner chapters of Ko Hung's text.

I had read it and it talks very much about Gold and Cinnabar!

Ko Hung says the best book on Taoist immortality methods is the San Huang Nei Wen, but I don't think there are any copies of that book around today.

Good Day Aaron here I am in the library whit Alchemy, Medicine, and Religion in the China of A. D. 320 by Nei P'ien of Ko Hung; Translated by James R. Ware! I belive this is the same book that your Master have?! And in the book I can read: that the best book for metamorphosis is Mo tzu wu hsing chi, and the next important is Yu nu yin wei!

And Ko Hung said in this book that his Master said that no Taoism book surpasses the books: San huang nei wen and Wu yue chen hsing tu!

That theses books were the honored secrets of Immortals and sages and could be taught only by those that are Immortals or sages! That those receiving these books transmitted them once after 40 years whit oaths!That writings of this type are only to be found in Mountains caves, that are open or found only to deserving Immortals!

So isn't this book for metamorphosis is Mo tzu wu hsing chi the best of Taoism immortality? While the others: San huang nei wen and Wu yue chen hsing tu are the best of Taoism Religion or beliefs? I just wonder because I belive the word metamorphosis is what we call today: Chi Kung! So would it be the best of Taoism immortality? ( but I don't know if Ko Hung mention the book Classic of Elixir of Wei Bo Yang (also called: Tsʻan Tʻung Chʻi by by Po-yang Wei or also called:Triplex Unity or also called: Tsan-tung-chi or also called: Ku-wen tsan-tung-chi)

http://www.amazon.com/ancient-Chinese-treatise-alchemy-entitled/dp/B0008D06DU/sr=1-2/qid=1171465520/ref=sr_1_2/105-0721013-2788462?ie=UTF8&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Everlasting-Life-Translation-Immortality/dp/1843332574/sr=1-1/qid=1171465494/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-0721013-2788462?ie=UTF8&s=books

http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/items/isbn/1-57062-460-7.cfm?selectedText=EXCERPT_CHAPTER

My Master says the method he uses isn't in any books. He says, "Low Jing Tong was mentioned by name in books, but nobody ever mentioned how to practice it". When it was, it was usually mentioned in rare treatises on Tongzigong. In the past it was usually regarded as the oral secret of the latter part of the training. It is mentioned by name in my teacher's copy of the Huang Ting Neijing Jing. I have read widely available versions of the Huang Ting Waijing Jing.
Be well
Aaron

Is the Huang Ting Neijing Jing that you said this one?:

http://www.answers.com/Huang%20Di%20Nei%20Jing

I end saying some thing from the book of Ko Hung:

Footprints are produced by feet, but are not the feet, the same whit books they are written by sages but are not the sages!

Regards ~

Hugo

[beggarsu]

Hello HugoDarien ,

I hope you are having a lovely day. I was happy to see this thread updated and to see you have found all sorts of cool new stuff to read.

Aaron who written or who is the author of that book? Can we buy it some where or is still the book available to read?

Yellow Emperor wrote this book but much of it's contents has been in other taoist scriptures for time immemorial. Yellow Emperor wrote it based on all his borrowed learning from the immortals who taught him. It is still available to
us today, but I'm afraid I'll have to leave the searching up to you (you're much better at it than I am ) of finding a buyable translated publication
concerning it. I don't really remember one off hand. It's probably in the free online daoist canon I mentioned a long time ago, but that would be in classical untranslated chinese language.

Aaron I believe that Master cited the book by Wei Po-Yang the king of Taoism Immortality? ( Sifu said in his book the Art of Chi Kung that this book is regard as the king of Taoism Immortality!)

I wonder if your Master said the same that this book by Wei Bo Yang is the King of Taoism Immortality that we can read today?

No, my teacher has never said anything like that to me.

I had read it and it talks very much about Gold and Cinnabar!

Yes. Even though that isn't a mistranslation on the translator's part, Ko Hung
indeed used many terms like that and minerals etc, it is mainly code. For
example, in one of the later sections of the book Ko Hung explains this fact
when he explains that names and ingredients mentioned in taoist scriptures
(including his own) are purposely used so as not to explain the real meaning.
In this way such books are of no use to people lucky enough to find them.
Another example is when Ko Hung talks about Liu Xiang earlier in the book
and how he was very intelligent and knowledgeable and had access to
immortality scriptures but failed in his pursuit of immortality. You have to be
initiated and taught by an immortal to understand the codes and such in
these kinds of books.

Good Day Aaron here I am in the library whit Alchemy, Medicine, and Religion in the China of A. D. 320 by Nei P'ien of Ko Hung; Translated by James R. Ware! I belive this is the same book that your Master have?!

Yes, this is the book my teacher says is the best on immortality and Taoism.

So isn't this book for metamorphosis is Mo tzu wu hsing chi the best of Taoism immortality? While the others: San huang nei wen and Wu yue chen hsing tu are the best of Taoism Religion or beliefs? I just wonder because I belive the word metamorphosis is what we call today: Chi Kung!

No, here Ko Hung is talking about a literal branch of taoist magic dealing with
the ability of shapechanging. Such as being able to take on the appearance
of a table, of another person, or an ocean etc. How to do it is qigong, but all branches of taoist magic involve qigong, so it's inaccurate to single out metamorphisis as what's today known as qigong. In fact nobody today is able to do such kinds of qigong except for exceptional people with very high qigong attainment or energy level. Ko Hung meant that that book was the best dealing with that type of magic/qigong, and that San huang nei wen was the best book period on taoism including taoist magic, immortality, how to do them, etc.

Is the Huang Ting Neijing Jing that you said this one?:
http://www.answers.com/Huang%20Di%20Nei%20Jing

No, the book mentioned in your link is the book usually talked about as the
foundation of chinese medicine or traditional chinese medicine. The book I
was talking about is the inner and outer scriptures of the yellow court,

http://www.eng.taoism.org.hk/daoist-scriptures/major-scriptures/pg3-2-8.asp

Aaron

[Ray]

This is an excellent thread. I wont take the time to read all the books mentioned yet (since at my level it would only be an intellectual aid) but to find Taoism so rich is really rewarding in itself.

Thanks Hugo and Aaron for your kind contributions.

Best,

Ray

[Antonius]

You have to be initiated and taught by an immortal to understand the codes and such in these kinds of books.

"Secrets hidden in the open."

[beggarsu]

Greetings everyone ,

Dear Sifu Anthony and Ray,
I am happy to see you join this thread

Dear HugoDarien,
I recall that book I recomended, "The Taoist Experience", has a lot of bibliographical information and recomendations for follow ups. If you have not found one already and if you haven't heard about this book, I think you might find the book Livia Kohn recomends on pg. 306 for more information on Yellow Emperor's Nine Cinnabars book, Pregadio 1991. From a quick search, I think she is refering to this one

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Clarity-Medieval-Religions-Cultures/dp/0804751773/sr=1-2/qid=1171589354/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-6409707-3139967?ie=UTF8&s=books

From reading the description on amazon, I think it has the book translated in whole.

I hope you all have good days and lots of happiness
Aaron

[HugoDarien]

Zhang boduan inner alchemy

Quote:
Originally Posted by beggarsu
Hello HugoDarien

I hope you are having a lovely day. I was happy to see this thread updated and to see you have found all sorts of cool new stuff to read.Aaron

ha ha dear friend you break my heart in pure love Yes everything is great a new life begun today! Here I am drinking Malt(my most favorite drink except coco water) and listen to Native American song! And for a hours ago I saw Jet Li Fearless( I cried in the end of the movie I remember the words of Sifu to me in Finland- LOVE YOU SIFU- I felt all night) And now in some minutes I go to a restaurant to celebrate my mothers birthday hehe!



Quote:
Originally Posted by beggarsu
Yellow Emperor wrote this book but much of it's contents has been in other Taoist scriptures for time immemorial. Yellow Emperor wrote it based on all his borrowed learning from the immortals who taught him. It is still available to
us today, but I'm afraid I'll have to leave the searching up to you (you're much better at it than I am ) of finding a buyable translated publication
concerning it. I don't really remember one off hand. It's probably in the free online daoist canon I mentioned a long time ago, but that would be in classical untranslated chinese language.Aaron

ok I found it latter! These last days I had not much time to answer in this forum because I am going to Bolivia and Miami (4 days next month to see my cousins they are Cubans like I ) soon! ( I can not meet you this time but next I hope just like we talked private message even when we agreed that maybe you would not had time well lets see what the destiny bring!

Well This Book of Zhang Boduan:

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-...e=UTF8&s=books

In the book of John Blofeld (My condolence to you John blofeld that I know you are in the spirit world) we read that a Taoist Master said that this book by Zhang Boduan and the Classic of Elixir by John Blofeld are the 2 most important or necessary to understand the way( something like that)


Quote:
Originally Posted by beggarsu
No, my teacher has never said anything like that to me.Aaron

OK Aaron! I respect that!

Yes it would be nice to understand the things Ge Hong wrote(the codes) in the book(about minerals) I whit a smile life heart said YES your Master must be so happy whit that wonderful book, yea I understand why he said is the best of Immortality, When I understand he USED the SECRET skills told in the wonderful book!

I had talk whit Taoism Immortals Students of Immortals Master(s) of Sweden( in telephone) and World and I don't really understand why the said that they are not really Qi Gong teacher well is ok for me hehe, I understand they " I guess" they said they are Immortals Masters hehe!!!



Quote:
Originally Posted by divineshadow
This is an excellent thread. I wont take the time to read all the books mentioned yet (since at my level it would only be an intellectual aid) but to find Taoism so rich is really rewarding in itself.

Thanks Hugo and Aaron for your kind contributions.

Best,

Ray

My best friend Ray yes so wonderful thread( I was talking whit Aaron about open a Thread call: (Taoism)(Taoist)(Daoism) Immortality. But Well I don't know(maybe)!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonius
"Secrets hidden in the open."

Yea Siheng Secrets are the KEY(S) word or .... hehe


Quote:
Originally Posted by beggarsu
Greetings everyone Dear HugoDarien,
I recall that book I recommended, "The Taoist Experience", has a lot of bibliographical information and recommendations for follow ups. If you have not found one already and if you haven't heard about this book. I hope you all have good days and lots of happiness
Aaron

Well Aaron that book I had it but I give( in Finland) to My friend, Siheng Tapio in Finland, so he could read it little and give to my Siheng Markus of Finland so I guess he have it now(even when he is free to give the book away, I found the book hard to understand just like this book of Zhang Bo Duan! I had read little words of the book of Wei Bo Yang and thats the book( and sure or maybe the only book of Taoism Immortality) that I love and want I hope I buy it soon( I cant no wait hehe)

Adios every one this sweat pure love is better than chocolate

Ps.http://www.amazon.com/Great-Clarity-...e=UTF8&s=books

NOW MY GIFT TO YOU IS A RED ROSE AFTER BEEN SWIMMING IN THIS COLD COOL TROPICAL RIVER HEHE HAHA

[Ray]

Glad to join the party ^^

I don't know much about the Yellow Emperor but if I remember correctly he had many many teachers (some big number like 81) and each of them taught him a specific meditation or chi kung sort of skill.

Have a good time in Bolivia, Hugo. I heard they have lots of good food that's really cheap too.

Best,

Ray

[HugoDarien]

Zhang boduan inner alchemy

Glad to join the party ^^

I don't know much about the Yellow Emperor but if I remember correctly he had many many teachers (some big number like 81) and each of them taught him a specific meditation or chi kung sort of skill.

Have a good time in Bolivia, Hugo. I heard they have lots of good food that's really cheap too.

Best,

Ray

Yea that is true and very tasty hehe Well I go now 20 February 2007 and Miami 13 to 18 Mars(mm cant not wait to see to see how USA is and the Fun haha, and now I must go to the restaurant well I think about you all now and then hehe

mmm the secrets are: oral secrets not found in books I guess, hehe hihi mm could be secrets even hidden in this book of Venerable Zhang Boduan mmm HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA..... HEHE

[beggarsu]

Greetings all ,

HugoDarien,

Ps.http://www.amazon.com/Great-Clarity-...e=UTF8&s=books

I'm sorry if my link didn't work for you, try this one instead

http://tinyurl.com/yv7b8e

Aaron

[HugoDarien]

Zhang boduan inner alchemy

Hello Aaron Thanks that was the link I posted!

Regards Hugo

[HugoDarien]

Yellow Emperor wrote this book but much of it's contents has been in other taoist scriptures for time immemorial. Yellow Emperor wrote it based on all his borrowed learning from the immortals who taught him. It is still available to
us today, but I'm afraid I'll have to leave the searching up to you (you're much better at it than I am ) of finding a buyable translated publication
concerning it. I don't really remember one off hand. It's probably in the free online daoist canon I mentioned a long time ago, but that would be in classical untranslated chinese language.......................................... ....The book I was talking about is the inner and outer scriptures of the yellow court,

http://www.eng.taoism.org.hk/daoist-scriptures/major-scriptures/pg3-2-8.asp

Aaron

Good Day Aaron and everyone!

Well this book called Awekening to the real is call one of the four classics of Taoism Books of China! I wonder which are the other 3 ones? I belive they are Tao Te Ching, Cantong Qi and Neijing! But I am not sure, I remember Sifu recommend a book called The Four Greatest Taoism Classics! mmm I wonder their names!

Taishang Huanting waijing yuying before a.d. 255:
Precious book of the exterior landscape of the Yellow Court is the originall Huanting Jing a didactic poem spoken by Lord Lao and describing the interior world, the book waijing was latter added by Shangqing tradition in order to distinguish the old book from thier own book: Taishang Huangting Neijing Yuying. The oldest copy of the present Yellow Court book is by Wang Xizi (303-379) written in 337, it has been reproduced on a stele from which a number of some rubbings have been preserve, even when the Yellow Court book is from the Later Han(25-220)
books:
Gong Pengcheng: Huanting jing lunyao
Schipper: Corcordance du Houang-ting ching
Yang Fucheng: Huanting nei wai erjing kao
Yu Wanli: Huantingjing xinzheng(this information is from the book: The Taoist Canon: A Historical Companion to the Daozang by Kristofer Schipper ( but I don't used the same words of the book, just almost the same) Any way I didnt found a link there we can buy the Yellow Court book! But here are a good link:

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:lNFBV6oHSzcJ:venus.unive.it/pregadio/syllabi/huangting_syll.html+Huangting+neiwai+erjing+kao+Yang+Fucheng&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

Maybe Eva Wong had writte something about Yellow Court, if that is the case, I return.

Ps. I know Aaron that you train Highest Clarity Taoism, so I belive you maybe would like to read:

EICHMAN, Shawn Robb. 1999. Converging Paths: A Study of Daoism During the Six Dynasties, with Emphasis on the Celestial Master Movement and the Scriptures of Highest Clarity. Ph.D. diss., University of Hawaii.

[HugoDarien]

Zhang boduan inner alchemy

Good Day Aaron and everyone!

Well this book called Awekening to the real is call one of the four classics of Taoism Books of China! I wonder which are the other 3 ones? I belive they are Tao Te Ching, Cantong Qi and Neijing! But I am not sure, I remember Sifu recommend a book called The Four Greatest Taoism Classics! mmm I wonder their names!

Sorry I wrote wrong it is like this:

Sifu wrote in his book The Art of Chi Kung that, This book by Zhang boduan called Realizing the truth are one of the four Greatest Chi Kung Classic in history! And Sifu recommended a book(in his book the art of Chi Kung) called:
The Four Great Chi Kung Classics of China by Xu Jing 1988

So mmm I still wonder what are the names of the other 3? Well I had write a Email to Sifu asking this, and other things! So well is up to Sifu to tell me or not!( I know and belive that his decision going to be well!)

Any way some Taoism Masters had said that this book by Zhang Bo Duan and Tao te Ching and Huangding jing and Can Tong Qi are the four greatest Classics of Daoism internal science and that they are the basis for all or almost all Taoism books of alchemy!

bye bye

[Ray]

Wow, Hugo:

that's a whole lot of reading. How was Miami?

^^

[HugoDarien]

Zhang boduan inner alchemy

Good Day Ray Miami was so beautiful(more than the houses here in Sweden)! I remember the cars selling fruits in the morning, a surprise it was hehe

Yes it is a lot of reading, I begin to be blind buy now hahahaha

There is a book called also The Four Greatest Classic of Chinese Qigong, Zhongguo Qigong Si Da Jingdian by Zhejiang Guji Publishing House, 1988.

For not going so far away of the title of this thread, I can say also that Zhang boduan wrote others books like:

Jindan Sibai Zi, four hundred word essay on the golden elixir.

Ray you can also see here:

http://www.wongkiewkit.com/forum/showthread.php?p=42786#post42786

[Ray]

Hehehe

Great pictures Bro!

Take care,

Ray