The Old Style Of Yang Lu-ch'an

[HugoDarien]

I found a very interesting book, even when a book by Master Erle Montaigue's Teacher of Wudang Tai Chi would be better! I read in Master Erle Montaigue's Homepage that this book is also in Italian!

Well here you can buy the four volumes in English:

http://www.lulu.com/content/707636

[Daniel]

Hi Hugo,

Master Montaigue is a master in his own style of self-defense or martial arts, and as such, is respectable, but in my opinion what he describes is not true kungfu, first, he says that stances are not good for fighting in Taijiquan!

It´s good to look for books and info on an interesting theme like chinese martial arts, but you should tell the difference after you´ve tasted Shaolin kungfu or Wahnam Taichichuan.

Greetings,

[HugoDarien]

The Old Style Of Yang Lu-ch'an

Hi Hugo,

Master Montaigue is a master in his own style of self-defense or martial arts, and as such, is respectable, but in my opinion what he describes is not true kungfu, first, he says that stances are not good for fighting in Taijiquan!

It´s good to look for books and info on an interesting theme like chinese martial arts, but you should tell the difference after you´ve tasted Shaolin kungfu or Wahnam Taichichuan.

Greetings,

Hello Daniel thats why I preferred to look more on a book write down by his Teacher of Wudang, any way I like more Shaolin than Tai Chi( Tai Chi is to slow and like boring for me), I was informed the book for those interesting about Tai Chi or Yang styles if they have curiosity.

Myselft I love only to read about the best OLD CLASSICS OF TAI CHI books and I find them here in this book: The Essence of T'ai Chi By Waysun Liao.

http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/items/isbn/978-1-57062-039-3.cfm

http://www.amazon.com/Essence-Tai-Chi-Waysun-Liao/dp/1590305094/ref=sr_11_1/102-7510055-3975327?ie=UTF8&qid=1179872797&sr=11-1

To not go so long from the title of this threat I put a good Homepage there you can download beautiful wallpapers of reall old Yang Lu-chan Tai Chi Masters and even books:

http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/download/

http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/products/

[Daniel]

Hell Hugo,

First, I won´t be over enthisiastic about the "book written by his Wudang master", probably it will be vey dissapointing.
Second, true Taichichuan is never boring!

The wallpapers are beautiful but in my opinion, Yang Taichichuan has lost the most part of its essence: internal training and combat application; and just the forms remain, sometimes, even the form is not so good, Yang Chen Fu´s book was one of the boks I´d recommend for Yang Taichichuan lovers but it´ll be easy to understand when you are initiated by a good master.

Greetings,

[HugoDarien]

The Old Style Of Yang Lu-ch'an

Hello Daniel Thank you for your reply!

I wonder if the book you recommended are any of this:

Taijiquan by the great Yang Style master, Yang Deng Fu. A book that according to Sifu is the source of Wahnam Taijiquan!

http://shaolin.org/answers/ans07a/apr07-2.html

I wonder if the book that Sifu said is this one:
The Essence and Applications of Taijiquan
by Yang Chengfu, Louis Swaim.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1556435452/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-7510055-3975327

wonder if this book had something about the Old Yang Style in it?

THANKS,
Hugo.

[HugoDarien]

The Old Style Of Yang Lu-ch'an

PS. I belive in chinese it is this book: http://www.plumpub.com/sales/chinese...s_tradpage.htm

[TheGreenKnight]

caution with books

Hey Hugo,

I was just about to post a rather longish post, but I realized that I should first ask about your purpose. If you don't mind my questioning, what is your goal is looking at these books?

Historical information, philosophy, a better understanding of taiji, etc.

[HugoDarien]

The Old Style Of Yang Lu-ch'an

I want to find the spirit of it!

[Damian Kissey]

Sifu always said " We practise kungfu , not read about kungfu" to find the spirit of internal chinese martial arts.

Anyway , reading books can be useful too depending on the person's level and aims.

[HugoDarien]

The Old Style Of Yang Lu-ch'an

Hello! I understand! I don't say I am going to read these books! I give information for interesting people in the forum, and for help, all the people looking in the INTERNET, and so they can communicate whit us, so we can have more friends!

In fact in my home and life right now I have only 2 books since long time, 1 best of spiritual for me and The Art of Chi Kung by Sifu! I may ad some book(s) in the future but it sure they be very little! I have read a lot of books but from the library just for read time! And going to do many more times(see for threads about those books, and a one that nobody have reveal in this forum that are very interesting soon I read it! and reveal the thread, a very interesting one!)

I like to see also how is your relationship whit books, in this case my brothers and systers that practice Tai Chi!

Regards

Hugo

[TheGreenKnight]

Hey Hugo,

This puts it quite concisely.

Sifu always said " We practise kungfu , not read about kungfu" to find the spirit of internal chinese martial arts.

Anyway , reading books can be useful too depending on the person's level and aims.

I practice chen style taiji. And here are a few comments on the matter.

I guess you could in one aspect get at the essence of taiji through reading; but in another way, it will never be tangible and fully understandable at this level. And, it will always remain an idea with the possibility of being completely wrong. It is just like qigong in this regard. One can know intellectually what may be going on (qi flowing in the body), but it is quite another matter to experience what is going on.

The best way to get at the essence of taiji would be to practice it and acquire genuine skill.

With that being said, it is probably easier to misunderstand taiji from books than many other things, especially from the classics. My master told us about a meeting with a fairly well known 'master', who had many many students. After watching the form, my master was quite appalled. He asked about the lineage of the 'master's' style, to which the 'master' replied he had studied the classics diligently and thoroughly understood them intellectually, and then made up a form that he thought corresponded to what he understood. My master indicated to us that what he was teaching was not taiji at all, but a bunch of exercises that looked like taiji. The essence was missing completely.

Here is a story that my master told us one day. This is retold by one of the students.

http://pullupachair.wordpress.com/2007/03/09/the-horse-expert/

Anyway, there you have a one particular view on taiji and books.

[HugoDarien]

The Old Style Of Yang Lu-ch'an

Thank you TheGreenKnight!