The damage done. By warren fellows.

[chiron]

Has anyone read this? it's really screwed up.

this man's experience of a 12 year stint in a Thai prison, and his refusal to lose compassion or concern for others welfare. It's totally harrowing becuase even at his release he says he'll never be free from the part of his heart that is buried with loss fom his time spent there.
I wondered if anyone has read it and what you think it's lesson is to mankind?
A related question I have is what/who believes that a soul chooses it's path/lessons before it enters life?

Personally i think this man was incredibly courageous and of a determined character to explore all dimensions of human nature. It's just left a shock to the system though. I'm wondering if he is one of those souls like jesus, going through a violent ordeal in order to help other people develop their own reflections on waht it is, that this is...
lol.

I do apologise for being so vague. it's just such an intense read and i read it straight in eleven hours so it's buzzing in my head like a stench right now.

[Marcus]

Hello Selva,

I read this book a number of years ago and I can still remember it. Which for me means it was either really good, really disturbing or both. I have a feeling this is in the "both" catagory.

Karma is the law of cause and effect. If I remember rightly the author was caught smuggling heroin and as a result was subject to the effect of his actions and stuck in the "Bangkok Hilton". Similar in effect to the film "Midnight Express".

Two sayings spring to mind:

1. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime
2. The universe is unfolding perfectly

it's buzzing in my head like a stench right now

I have another thought which I'd like to share with you. As a teenager I used to love watching Horror films and reading horror stories. It didn't really do much for me except give me a very vivid imagination and a number of sleepless nights. There is a computer term "GIGO" which means: Garbage in Garbage Out. Be careful what you feed your mind Selva.
Kind regards

Marcus



Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha

[chiron]

hey marcus. thankfully it's disssipating now. I was wondering if the universe is unfolding perfectly, that somehow this guy chose to go through what he did?
I dont know if its true that he said he once made a deal with god, after seeing some junkie street girl, that if he ever got into heroin he should be 'destroyed'. or that his intution was working on the day he got caught. he just chose to ignore the warnings.
thats what made me consider maybe someway he chose that experience. i mean the point of his book was to show, his crime didnt deserve the horrors. because they were truly absoloute hell, and the places were heroin city anyway.
it wasnt just time, it was total exposure to the most sick aspects of humanity.
and in a way thats something i respect. to face that and not kill yourself. he could have just crueld up and died at any time, and told himelf he was the worthless piece of shit he was being treated as. but he never believed that. he always perseverd that he was not what he was being told.
like in the prisons, theres the excuse for every sicko to be that twisted, to treat others that bad, and say its justified. it's never justified to do those things. under no circumstances. It made me think. if i was surrounded by that how much hope would there be for me to not kill myself, or hope to not turn into the same cold heartless, literally, things. but somehow how he didn't somehow he still managed to deal with it. thats amazing. I'd never say someone deserves to die because they did something bad, the thing is is not my choice, or descion. prisions are not my descion either and i believe strongly. whatever the 'times are like' imprisioning people in loony bins, or shit holes, or some banned island. is total hypocrisy. You can't lock away murderers and say its their fault. it's your own fault you think thats the soloution and the cause. and if someone is a killer, thats their choice. i have no right to lock them away. and 'save society'
bollocks!!!

[Marcus]

Selva,

Can you please monitor your use of inappropriate language on this forum. For one thing it's use negates the points you are trying to make and for another you lower the standard of this site with it's use. It's fine to be passionate and emotional in your posts but I will not tolerate your continued use of swearing. I will continue to watch your posts closely and if this issue does not stop I will report you to the Moderator.

Kind regards

Marcus



Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha

[Dave]

A comparison...

Greetings to all,
I also read this book a few years ago and was both as shocked and moved by its story as you both were.At the time i bought this book,however,behind it on the shelf was another book entitled ´First They Killed My Father´,which is even more moving and horrific.Whereas the book u mentioned deals with an individual´s imprisonment and punishment in a horrific prison,the other deals with a young girl´s experiences of the Khmer Rouge invasion of Cambodia.
Both books moved me deeply when i read them,but the latter seems more poingant for the fact that this was no cause and consequence on the part of the young girl.She did not choose her actions and then face the consequences,she was simply forced into a life of terrible hardship and suffering as were the countless thousands of Cambodians at the time.
Where i by no means condone the treatment suffered by many prisoners in horrific conditions around the world,there is always the element Marcus mentioned of ´The Time´vs. ´The Crime,´and in the case of the individual imprisoned in the Bangkok Hilton,he new exactly what he was doing and the consequences of such actions.That said,forgive my rambling,and i hope you manage to read the book i mentioned,if only for comparison.
Peace to all,Dave.

[chiron]

sure thing for the bad language!

i dont know if i will read that other one dave...but maybe. if i get over this one first!