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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
    Hi Peacekeeper,

    What style of chi kung does your instructor teach?
    Hello. I haven't asked.

    PD: I forgot to mention. I'm doing sexual abstinence so I can recover more quickly.
    Last edited by Peacekeeper; 14th November 2017 at 02:34 AM.

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    Dear Peacekeeper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacekeeper View Post
    Is there a way to "recharge" or replentish lost chi? Beacuse I am abosolutely certain that my chi is flowing perfectly. I just need to recover my vitality.
    Again this is a typically intellectual question. You shouldn't perform self-diagnoses, but just leave it to a competent Chinese Medicine expert who can examine you in person.

    The great thing about any high-level Chi Kung is that it works wonderfully regardless of your issues. You don't have to know anything, but just do it.

    Like it was mentioned by my Sisook Alex, cleansing will also help you build. Usually people with health problems of any kind (including lost vitality) should begin Chi Kung gently with the emphasis on cleansing. This will help you get a faster result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacekeeper View Post
    Sorry, I confused the word "qualified" with "certified", as he's not an official instructor from Shaolin Wahnam. He's very qualified.

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    It's been 7 years of living with my energy totally depleted. And the recovery is painfuly slow.
    How long have you practiced regularly (at least once a day) with your current master?

    You are complaining about the slowness of recovery. I have personal account that serious deviation experiences with lots of pain and many symptoms can take long time to ease up even with excellent teachers and their wonderful teaching, but I would conservatively estimate that it shouldn't take you more than 18 months to have near complete recovery. Again this is based on my personal experience, but please understand that I am just a fairly new student and not really qualified to give proper estimations.

    Practicing absistence as you mentioned in your latest post should help you recover faster.

    With sincere respect,
    Olli
    Last edited by understanding; 14th November 2017 at 06:27 AM. Reason: again grammar and clarity :)

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    Dear Olli,

    Quote Originally Posted by understanding View Post
    Dear Peacekeeper,

    Again this is a typically intellectual question. You shouldn't perform self-diagnoses, but just leave it to a competent Chinese Medicine expert who can examine you in person.
    I'm going to look for someone here. If anyone knows where I could go in Argentina, it would be of great help.


    Quote Originally Posted by understanding View Post
    How long have you practiced regularly (at least once a day) with your current master?
    I'm pretty new to Chi Kung. I didn't know it existed until this year and it is difficult to find a master in the place where I live, so I've been practicing for a month.

    I always though energy was something spiritual, so I read countless books on spirituality to find a cure but I was unsuccesful. Eventually I gave up and went on with my life.

    Quote Originally Posted by understanding View Post
    You are complaining about the slowness of recovery. I have personal account that serious deviation experiences with lots of pain and many symptoms can take long time to ease up even with excellent teachers and their wonderful teaching, but I would conservatively estimate that it shouldn't take you more than 18 months to have near complete recovery. Again this is based on my personal experience, but please understand that I am just a fairly new student and not really qualified to give proper estimations.
    I think this either was a very serious deviation or my energy body was really in a really bad shape, because it's been 7 years and I haven't recovered half of my vitality.

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    Dear Peacekeeper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacekeeper View Post
    I'm pretty new to Chi Kung. I didn't know it existed until this year and it is difficult to find a master in the place where I live, so I've been practicing for a month.
    It's usual that it takes 3-6 months before the momentum of anyone's new Chi Kung practice starts bringing breakthrough benefits. Personal Chi Kung practice is not an immediate magic bullet, so it will take time regardless of whichever tradition or master you receive teachings from.

    Are you not satisfied with your current master or the benefits of his teachings, or why are you here asking questions from us? Patience and perseverence are essentials in any internal art, and shopping for masters may not be beneficial to your recovery. I think I have read somewhere that it's good to give three months of trial to any teaching if it brings good results and presents no contraindications, and it's often good to examine a master's students to see what kind of results you might expect.

    A powerful Chi Kung healer such as Sifu Andrew might be able to help you with remote healing (a Skype session) if you are looking for accelerated recovery. However, the healing will be holistic and cannot guarantee any particular outcome. I did a healing session with him on 25th September where he worked among other things on my solar plexus which really relieved me of deep blockages. He has an excellent reputation in our school, and based on my own experience I can also warmly recommend him.

    With sincere respect,
    Olli

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    Quote Originally Posted by understanding View Post
    Dear Peacekeeper,



    It's usual that it takes 3-6 months before the momentum of anyone's new Chi Kung practice starts bringing breakthrough benefits. Personal Chi Kung practice is not an immediate magic bullet, so it will take time regardless of whichever tradition or master you receive teachings from.
    Yes, I admit I'm being a little bit impatient. We have just begun the training and I been practicing roughly 2 times a week, so I can't expect great results. I'm beginning to practice daily, as I'm taking this more seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by understanding View Post
    Are you not satisfied with your current master or the benefits of his teachings, or why are you here asking questions from us? Patience and perseverence are essentials in any internal art, and shopping for masters may not be beneficial to your recovery. I think I have read somewhere that it's good to give three months of trial to any teaching if it brings good results and presents no contraindications, and it's often good to examine a master's students to see what kind of results you might expect.
    Honestly, I'm a bit...shy when it comes to telling my personal problems to people I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by understanding View Post
    A powerful Chi Kung healer such as Sifu Andrew might be able to help you with remote healing (a Skype session) if you are looking for accelerated recovery. However, the healing will be holistic and cannot guarantee any particular outcome. I did a healing session with him on 25th September where he worked among other things on my solar plexus which really relieved me of deep blockages. He has an excellent reputation in our school, and based on my own experience I can also warmly recommend him.

    With sincere respect,
    Olli
    I will take that as an option.

    Thanks for your response.

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    Dear Peacekeeper,

    you have already gotten some good advice.

    When considering Chi Kung as your main method for healing, it's good to ask some important questions: is the art you are learning genuine? If it is, is the teacher or Master who teaches you good/average/bad?

    Shaolin Chi Kung is an excellent art for healing you of your health problems. If it is genuine, and you practice it correctly and daily, you should be able to overcome your problems and stay healthy.
    However, if the chi kung you practice is mainly focused on outward forms and movement, it cannot and will not cure you of your problems.

    Genuine chi kung is the art of energy, and energy flow is the most important part of that art. It is the energy flow that will overcome your problems, what ever they may be.

    The best choice for you would be to attend our Grandmasters Intensive Chi Kung course in Malaysia. (For more information: www.shaolin.org)
    It gives all the necessary skills for correct practice and ensures the wanted outcome.


    Best wishes,

    Nessa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessa View Post
    Dear Peacekeeper,

    you have already gotten some good advice.

    When considering Chi Kung as your main method for healing, it's good to ask some important questions: is the art you are learning genuine? If it is, is the teacher or Master who teaches you good/average/bad?

    Shaolin Chi Kung is an excellent art for healing you of your health problems. If it is genuine, and you practice it correctly and daily, you should be able to overcome your problems and stay healthy.
    However, if the chi kung you practice is mainly focused on outward forms and movement, it cannot and will not cure you of your problems.

    Genuine chi kung is the art of energy, and energy flow is the most important part of that art. It is the energy flow that will overcome your problems, what ever they may be.

    The best choice for you would be to attend our Grandmasters Intensive Chi Kung course in Malaysia. (For more information: www.shaolin.org)
    It gives all the necessary skills for correct practice and ensures the wanted outcome.


    Best wishes,

    Nessa
    Thank you for your responde, Sifu Nessa. I will keep it in mind.

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    Hello!

    I just wanted to give you an update of my progress.

    I changed my diet for a more plant based, although I'm not becoming a vegetarian nor a vegan. I also cut off all drinks and I now drink only water.

    These simple changes have done wonders in my energy levels, specially drinking water. I'm regaining my vitality as never before these years.

    I know this has nothing to do with Chi Kung but aparently there are other ways to energy cultivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peacekeeper View Post
    Hello!

    I just wanted to give you an update of my progress.

    I changed my diet for a more plant based, although I'm not becoming a vegetarian nor a vegan. I also cut off all drinks and I now drink only water.
    Congrats on your changes, peacekeeper! I'm currently gluten-free, dairy-free and sugar-free and it has done better for my health (besides a great chi flow) than any acupuncture, massage, or other lifestyle change! Can I suggest it is still possible to enjoy your food and drink and have a nourishing varied diet. With drinks you can have chai tea (with rice milk if you don't want dairy), or decaffenaited coffee, juices, and coconut water (which itself is very nourishing). Also if you really want to get into diet, try adding some chinese medicine approach. Its listed in depth here in the Chinese Medicine sub forum. If you want to nourish your kidney yin for example, look at having bone broth once or twice a week, eating goji berries regularly, and I believe beef is also good.

    I realise you have switched to plant-based but can I humbly suggest, as someone who grew up a vegetarian and has no switched to meat, I can feel such a difference and improvement at eating meat! Well-cooked steak with mustard and pepper, crispy pork crackling, scrambled eggs with chives, delcious bacon, oven-baked salmon with lemon and dill, not only taste delicious, go well with vegetables, but feel incredibly nourishing to me! Also I was told by a good acupuncturist that if you are weak / want to nourish your energy, then cook your meat a little more than usual.

    One last thing. As someone who created problems for himself with attempting small universe solo, don't take yourself and your health too seriously!! (Not saying you do, you seem pretty grounded). But I recommend just do a few consistent things each day for your health, but don't obsess when you have health peaks and troughs. Of course this is another way of saying, don't worry, don't intellectualise and just enjoy. Also make sure you have good sleep and good amount of sleep. Besides chi kung, sleep is the backbone of jing restoration.

    Cheers
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by christoph View Post
    Congrats on your changes, peacekeeper! I'm currently gluten-free, dairy-free and sugar-free and it has done better for my health (besides a great chi flow) than any acupuncture, massage, or other lifestyle change! Can I suggest it is still possible to enjoy your food and drink and have a nourishing varied diet. With drinks you can have chai tea (with rice milk if you don't want dairy), or decaffenaited coffee, juices, and coconut water (which itself is very nourishing). Also if you really want to get into diet, try adding some chinese medicine approach. Its listed in depth here in the Chinese Medicine sub forum. If you want to nourish your kidney yin for example, look at having bone broth once or twice a week, eating goji berries regularly, and I believe beef is also good.

    I realise you have switched to plant-based but can I humbly suggest, as someone who grew up a vegetarian and has no switched to meat, I can feel such a difference and improvement at eating meat! Well-cooked steak with mustard and pepper, crispy pork crackling, scrambled eggs with chives, delcious bacon, oven-baked salmon with lemon and dill, not only taste delicious, go well with vegetables, but feel incredibly nourishing to me! Also I was told by a good acupuncturist that if you are weak / want to nourish your energy, then cook your meat a little more than usual.

    One last thing. As someone who created problems for himself with attempting small universe solo, don't take yourself and your health too seriously!! (Not saying you do, you seem pretty grounded). But I recommend just do a few consistent things each day for your health, but don't obsess when you have health peaks and troughs. Of course this is another way of saying, don't worry, don't intellectualise and just enjoy. Also make sure you have good sleep and good amount of sleep. Besides chi kung, sleep is the backbone of jing restoration.

    Cheers
    Chris
    Thanks Chris!! I haven't become a vegetarian, I just started to add more fruit and vegetables to my diet. I still eat plenty of meat. I have read books that say being a vegetarian is not the best approach for our health and I agree. I've seen it in other people that they become weak and start to gain weight. Nevertheless, I agree with the idea of causing the least amount of suffering to animals so I'll try to eat organic.
    I also am dairy, gluten, and sugar free.
    Forgot to mention that I weighted myself yesterday and I lowered 10kg so I'm doing things right apparently
    The thing I need right now is to gain some muscle mass because that forced chi kung somehow destroyed it and left me weak, but it's increasing by its own with only the diet (no gym).
    Will check the chinese medicine subforum

    Best wishes,

    Peacekeeper

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