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  • #76
    Thank you to Sifu for the insights into to development of our syllabuses and your wonderful in-depth answers!

    And thanks to Roland Siheng for feeding us with new gems every day.

    Best wishes,

    Leo
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    • #77
      Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 9-Part 2

      Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 9-Part 2:

      (Continued from Part 1)

      Examining the examples above given for selective sets shows that in the progress after their basic training, advanced kungfu students do not necessarily select sets that manifest certain animal features. If they select sets like Dragon-Tiger, Eagle Claw and Monkey Set, their sets do manifest features of the dragon, tiger, eagle and monkey. But if they select sets like Shaolin Tantui, Siu Lin Tou and Twelve Fists, their sets do not reflect any special animal features.

      Moreover, if they like, they can progress after their basic training without having to choose any selective sets. They can still be very advanced deepening their basic training, though their depth and certainly their breadth will be much enhanced if they also practice some selective sets.

      Yes, you are correct in saying that some sets and patterns can manifest certain animal features better than others. For example, a set like Tiger-Crane obviously manifests the features of the tiger and the crane better than sets like Tantui, Eagle Claw and Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow. In fact, it is for this reason that the set is called Tiger-Crane.

      A pattern like “Swimming Dragon Plays with Water”, which may not necessarily be found in sets that specialize in the dragon form, obviously manifests the features of the dragon better than patterns like “Black Tiger Steals Heart”, “Cross-Road Separates Gold” and “Low Stance Vertical Punch”.

      Some patterns may not be named after an animal, but may manifest the features of the animal. “False Leg Hand Sweep”, for example, is not named after the crane, but has the features of the crane. “Immortal Waves Sleeves” is not named after the dragon, but has the features of the dragon.

      Someone who specializes in the features of a certain animal can manifest these features in any pattern or set. For example, a person specializing in Dragon Force can manifest Dragon Force or any of the dragon features in patterns like “False leg Hand Sweep” and “Low Stance Vertical Punch”. He can also manifest Dragon Force or any dragon features in sets that are not connected with the dragon, like Siu Lin Tou and Eighteen Collection.

      But whether this transfer of a special animal feature to another pattern or set is advantageous or otherwise depends on how skillful a practitioner is. If he has the benefit of spread and depth, like students in our school, this transfer is advantageous. For example, while applying “False Leg Hand Sweep” which manifests the features of a crane, he may use Dragon Force. While performing Triple Stretch, which manifests the features of a tiger, he may use the swerving movement of a dragon to his advantage.

      But if he is not sufficiently skillful, the transfer will distract from the effective of the pattern or set. The negative transfer may render his pattern, “False Leg Hand Sweep”, manifesting neither the dragon nor the crane. By adding dragon features to his Triple Stretch which manifests the features of a tiger, his performance of the set may have neither the ferocity and power of a tiger nor the presence of mind and fluidity of a dragon.

      Taijiquan manifests the features of the snake and the crane. But Wahnam Taijiquan is different. While maintaining the features of the crane, Wahnam Taijiquan manifests the features more of the dragon than the snake.

      The snake is like a dragon, but less majestic and less powerful. It is sometimes referred to as a dragon on earth, whereas dragons soar the sky. Hence, Wahnam Taijiquan is more commanding and more forceful than most other types of Taijiquan. In generating energy flow, Wahnam Taijiquan emphasizes more on the presence of mind, whereas other types of Taijiquan make use of bodily movements.

      Yes, the dragon spirit should be present in a good practitioner practicing Wahnam Taijiquan. He radiates an invisible but discernable force. In other types of Taijiquan, practitioners focus more on energy flow and elegant movements, which are characteristic of the snake and the crane.

      (Part 3 follows)
      "From formless to form, from form to formless"

      26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
      Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

      Website: www.enerqi.ch

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      • #78
        Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 9-Part 3

        Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 9-Part 3:

        (Continued from Part 2)

        Features of other animals can be effectively manifested in Taijiquan too. Besides skills as mentioned above, whether the transfer of these features to Taijiquan is advantageous or disadvantageous depends on a few other factors too.

        A good Taijiquan practitioner of other schools manifests the features of a snake and a crane. Besides manifesting the features of a crane, a good Wahnam Taijiquan practitioner manifests the features of a dragon. If they introduce the features of a tiger, even when it is done correctly, the transfer will spoil the elegance and fluidity of Taijiquan, and make it look like karate.

        Cloud Hands may cease to be Cloud Hands. It may become Tiger Claws. Flowing Water Floating Clouds may become Blocked Ice Roaring Storm.

        There is no need to transfer the features of the crane from elsewhere into Taijiquan. Taijiquan itself has crane features.

        Although it is gentle and granceful, Taijiquan especially Wahnam Taijiquan, is majestic. Transferring the playfulness and trickiness of the monkey to Taijiquan will distract from his majestic

        Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow may cease to be Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow. It may become Playful Monkey Tricks Eagle. Wudang Taijiquan may become Monkey Frolic.

        The negative transfer affects not just the form of Taijiquan, but also its combat efficiency, energy development and spiritual joy.

        For example, Immortal Waves Sleeves manifests the features of a snake in other Taijiquan , or a dragon in Wahnam Taijiquan. If a practitioner changes the features to those of a tiger or a leopard, Immortal Waves Sleeves would loose much of its effectiveness in using minimum force to deflect an opponent’s powerful attack.

        Energy development in Taijiguan uses the flow method, which is excellent for features of the dragon, snake and crane. If features of the tiger and leopard, or of the monkey, eagle or praying mantis are used instead, the effectiveness of the flow method is unfavorably affected.

        Taijiquan practitioners are noted to be relaxed, elegant yet forceful, which manifest the qualities of the crane, snake and dragon. If the ferocity of the tiger, strength of the leopard, playfulness of the monkey, aggressiveness of the eagle, or the deceptiveness of the praying mantis interfere with the spiritual cultivation of these Taijiquan qualities of being relaxed, elegant yet forceful, these spiritual joys may be affected.

        But we in Shaolin Wahnam are different. We change disadvantages into advantages, setbacks into opportunities – not just in Taijiquan but more significantly in daily life. The selective sets add breadth and depth to our development.

        Because of our many advantages that other practitioners may not have, such as our sound understanding of kungfu philosophy and magic of chi flow, we can manifest the features of other animals into Taijiquan when desirable, not only without distracting from the original benefits of Taijiquan but also enhancing them.

        Hence, when we use Immortal Waves Sleeves to deflect an opponent’s powerful strike, we can be very powerful too without distracting from the circular movement of the snake. When we generate energy flow using the flow method, we can also consolidate the flowing energy flow into internal force using the force method.

        More importantly, not only we are relaxed but are quite to spring into appropriate action like an eagle. Not only we are elegant but also courageous like a tiger. Not only we are forceful, but also cheerful like a monkey.

        All these wonderful benefits are not only made possible but also attained better and faster with our selective sets. Such a development in our school may not be unprecedented in the whole of kungfu and chi kung history but is certainly rare.

        <End>
        "From formless to form, from form to formless"

        26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
        Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

        Website: www.enerqi.ch

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        • #79
          All I can say is, Wow!

          Thank you Sifu, Roland Sihing and all participants!

          With Shaolin Salute,
          Lee Wei Joo
          http://shaolinwahnammalaysia.com/

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          • #80
            Cloud Hands Grasp Sporrow Q/A 10-Part 1

            Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 10-Part 1:

            Question 10

            If we wish to train the combative aspects of Taijiquan during solo practice of the "Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow" set, should we emphasize focusing and exploding internal force from the wrist and shoulders instead of the waist?

            Stephen



            Answer

            During practice of Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow or any Taijiquan set, when exploding force we should first focus on internal force issuing from the dan tian. This must be executed with the right mechanics, which is excellent described by past masters as “starting from the back leg, rotating the waist, and completing at the hand”.

            There are two requirements for exploding force or fa-jing successfully, namely sufficient internal force to be exploded, and the right mechanics to explode it.

            Both conditions are required. If there is no internal force, exploding force will not be successful even when the mechanics is correct. Even when there is internal force, if the mechanics is wrong, the force will not be successfully exploded.

            Failure to meet one or both of these two conditions is the reason why many martial artists do not know fa-jing, or how to explode internal force, which is regarded as an advanced skill.

            On the other hand, even our students in Intensive Taijiquan Course and Intensive Shaolin Kungfu Course can learn fa-jing in just a few days. This is because our students have the two requirements and make use of them when exploding force.

            Most martial artists do not have internal force, though many of them can be very powerful with muscular strength. Our students develop internal force from their stance straining, like the Three-Circle Stance in Taijiquan and the Horse-Riding Stance in Shaolin Kungfu. The internal force is stored at the dan tian.

            When a practitioner explodes force, he focuses at his dan tian. This set his energy flowing from his dan tian, through his shoulder, through his elbow, through his wrist, and out of his hand, known in kungfu terminology as “internal force going through five gates”. The rotation of his waist sets the energy flowing in spiral. Thus the force he explodes out is spiral force, which is more powerful than linear force like ramming a hardened fist onto an opponent.

            If the practitioner focuses at his wrist or shoulder, he may not be able to issue the force from his dan tian. He may generate a spiral movement by following the principle of starting from the back leg, rotating the waist and completing at the hand. But it is spiral mechanical strength, and not spiral force, that hits an opponent.

            (Part 2 follows)
            "From formless to form, from form to formless"

            26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
            Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

            Website: www.enerqi.ch

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            • #81
              Amazing! I'm reading the answers many times in order to better understand everything. All that is study material. Thank you very much Sigung. Your words are priceless!!

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              • #82
                Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 10-Part 2

                Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 10-Part 2:

                (Continued from Part 1)

                At an advanced level, the internal force is not just kept at the dan tian, but fills up an exponent’s whole body. The meridians from his dan tian all the way to his hands are filled with energy. At this advanced level, the exponent may focus at his wrist instead of his dan tian when exploding force.

                Indeed, he needs not even have to start from his back leg, rotate his waist and complete at his hand. He just needs to rotate or flex his wrist. Internal force will shoot out from his palm to an opponent.

                Although his internal force is issued from his palm, the source of energy is traced back to his dan tian. It is just like when you turn on a tap, water flows out of the tap, but the source of water is from a reservoir. Water flows all the way from the reservoir to the tap, just as internal force flows all the way from the dan tian to the palm.

                There is, however, a slight difference. The water used up from the tap is replaced later in the reservoir when there is a rainfall. The energy used up in the strike from the palm is replaced immediately in the dan tian from the Cosmos.

                The dan tian acts as a source for exploding force in most kungfu styles, like in Taijiquan and Shaolin Kungfu. But in Xingyiquan, the source is at the shoulder, though it is still fed by the dan tian. At advanced levels in all kungfu styles, including Taijiquan, Shaolin Kungfu and Xingyiquan, the source is at the wrist.

                Why is the source of internal force at the shoulder whereas it is at the dan tian for most other kungfu styles?

                It is because of the principal manner Xingyiquan and the other kungfu styles develop their internal force. Xingyiquan uses the Santi Stance, or the Three-Body Stance, whereas Taijiquan and Shaolin Kungfu use the Three-Circle Stance and the Horse-Riding Stance respectively. The Three-Body Stance is asymmetrical, whereas the Three-Circle Stance and the Horse-Riding Stance are symmetrical. The symmetrical structural of the Three-Circle Stance and the Horse-Riding Stance enables energy from the Cosmos to be stored at the dan tian.

                Indeed, I was thinking of this question for quite some time. Why is the Three-Body Stance asymmetrical? I found the answer while preparing to teach Xingyiquan at the 2013 UK Summer Camp. The asymmetrical structure of the Three-Body Stance, together with the correspondence mode when practicing it, enables energy to be located at the shoulders to be used when exploding force.

                <End>
                "From formless to form, from form to formless"

                26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
                Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

                Website: www.enerqi.ch

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                • #83
                  Cloud Hands Grasp Sporrow Q/A 11-Part 1-Bonus

                  Sifu kindly added a bonus for us:

                  Question 11

                  When practicing footwork, waist rotation and moving in stances, I sometimes add the Double Tiger Claws whilst moving in stances, rotating the Tiger Claws with each step.

                  After a period of time when the chi flow is becoming stronger I sometimes find the Double Tiger Claws changing into similar movements as Cloud Hands. I have also experienced this once in chi flow. I started thinking that Cloud Hands originated from the Double Tiger Claws.

                  Is there some connection of the Double Tiger Claws and Cloud Hands?

                  If all things would be equal in terms of progress, who would have the most force, a Shaolin Kungfu practitioner who practices Iron Wire and Double Tiger Claws, and then starts practicing Cloud Hands, or a Tai Chi Chuan practitioner, who practiced Cloud Hands from the start?

                  Tim Hoorens


                  Answer

                  Congratulations. Your experience is the result from the benefits of breadth and depth.

                  You have practiced your footwork, waist rotation and moving in stances so well that your Double Tiger Claws emerge spontaneously. All these techniques complement one another excellent.

                  Practitioners who only know Double Tiger Claws but have not practiced footwork, waist rotation and moving in stance, will probably perform the Double Tiger Claws from their shoulders instead of from the waist as you do. This will distract both from their application of force as well as combat efficiency.

                  For example, if a practitioner executes his Double Tiger Claws from his shoulders, he may generate 200 units of force. But if he rotates his waist he can generate 500 units!

                  Why can he generate more force by rotating his waist? There are two reasons. By rotating his waist he issues his force from his dan tian, where internal force is stored. By starting from his shoulders he issues his force from his shoulders which have less internal force stored there than at the dan tian. The flow of force from the dan than is more than the flow of force from the shoulders.

                  Secondly, when he rotates his waist, he generates spiral force. When he issues force from his shoulders, the force is linear. Even when the amount of force is the same, spiral force is more powerful than linear force. But here the amount of spiral force is more than the amount of linear force. Hence, if all other things were equal except that you rotate your waist when applying the Double Tiger Claws but another practitioner starts from his shoulder, as many practitioners do, he generates only 200 units of force but you generate 500 units.

                  Besides force application, rotating the waist also has an advantage in combat efficiency over starting from the shoulders. The Double Tiger Claws are often used to deflect an opponent’s attack with one tiger claw and simultaneously counter-attacking him with the other tiger claw.

                  If an opponent’s attack with a force of 500 units is coming towards you, you can deflect it with just 200 units of force by moving your deflecting tiger claw from your shoulder. But if you rotate your waist instead of moving your arm from your shoulder, you can deflect the 500 units of force with only 100 units.

                  You may have a feel of this application of minimum force by doing the following simple experiment. Hold a heavy object, like a table, with both hands. Try to move it by moving your hands issuing from your shoulders. Next, hold the same object with both hands. Move the object not by moving your hands but by rotating your waist. You will find that moving the object by rotating your waist is easier than using your shoulders. This, in fact, is a core principle why in Taijiquan a smaller-sized exponent can defeat a bigger-sized opponent.

                  When one starts to train the Double Tiger Claws, waist rotation is very important. But when his Double Tiger Claws are very powerful, he can use them any way he likes, sometimes without rotating his waist.

                  (Part 2 follows)
                  "From formless to form, from form to formless"

                  26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
                  Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

                  Website: www.enerqi.ch

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                  • #84
                    Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 11-Part 2-Bonus

                    Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 11-Part 2-Bonus:

                    (Continued from Part 1)

                    The physical movements of the Double Tiger Claws and of Cloud Hands are similar. Hence, your Double Tiger Claws may spontaneously change to Cloud Hands, and vice versa. This, again, is the result of benefiting from breadth and depth. For example, a Shaolin Wahnam student may only train in Double Tiger Claws, but eventually he can also use Cloud Hands, and vice versa.

                    The benefits are not only in physical movements and combat application, but also in force development. Suppose a Shaolin Wahnam student trains Double Tiger Claws for three months, he will develop 1000 units of Tiger Claws internal force. Instead of training Double Tiger Claws, he trains Cloud Hands for three months, he will develop 800 units of internal force.

                    Given the same training time, there will be more internal force developed in Double Tiger Claws than in Cloud Hands. This is because Double Tiger Claws use the force method, whereas Cloud Hands use the flow method. The nature of training is such that, if all other things were equal, the force method develops force faster than the flow method.

                    But this does not necessarily mean that the force method is better than the flow method. The flow method may have other advantages over the force method. A flow method practitioner, for example, may be more agile than a force method practitioner.

                    Now, if the Shaolin Wahnam student uses the same three months to train both Double Tiger Claws and Cloud Hands, he will obtain not half the result of Double Tiger Claws, i.e. 500 units of Tiger Claws force, and half the result of Cloud Hands, i.e. 400 units of Cloud Hands force, but he will obtain 1500 units of internal force which he can use in Double Tiger Claws or in Cloud Hands.

                    When he performs Double Tiger Claws he will have 1500 units of Tiger Claws force. When he performs Cloud Hands he will have 1500 units of Cloud Hands force. In other words, for the same time spent in training, he gets more than double the amount of benefit in each art! This is our concept of breadth and depth.

                    The benefit of breadth and depth applies in our school. It may not apply in most other schools. For most other schools, if students practice two opposing force training methods, like Double Tiger Claws and Cloud Hands, at the same time period, they will get less than half the benefit they would get had they focused on just one art. For example, they may get only 120 units of Tiger Claw force and 100 units of Cloud Hands force.

                    Yes, there is some obvious connection between Double Tiger Claws and Cloud Hands. The physical movements are similar, except that the former uses tiger claws and the latter uses open palms.

                    The combat applications are similar. One tiger claw or open palm is used to deflect an opponent’s attack, and the other tiger claw or open palm is used to counter-strike the opponent. A master can use either technique to counter any attack – be in a strike, a kick, a felling attack or a chin-na technique!

                    The force development is quite different. Double Tiger Claws use the force method, and Cloud Hands use the flow method. But for us in Shaolin Wahnam, we can combine the flow and the force methods in either art to have better and faster results.

                    (Part 3 follows)
                    "From formless to form, from form to formless"

                    26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
                    Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

                    Website: www.enerqi.ch

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                    • #85
                      Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 11-Part 3-Bonus

                      Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Q/A 11-Part 3-Bonus:

                      (Continued from Part 2)

                      I don’t have historical evidence for the origin of Double Tiger Claws. The earliest record of tiger claws I have was in a classic called “The Internal Arts of Shaolin” which I believe was written in the Ming Dynasty (14th to 17th century). It showed the development of internal force employing the Shaolin five animals.

                      There was mention of the tiger form in Xingyiquan, which was invented by Yue Fei during the later part of the Song Dynasty (10th to 13th century). Claws were used in the tiger form, but they were more like Eagle Claws, and very different form the Double Tiger Claws we use in Shaolin Wahnam. The Art of Tiger Claws was probably established during the Qing Dynasty (17th to 20th century).

                      On the other hand, I believe that Cloud Hands originated from Zhang San Feng during the later part of the Song Dynasty. After practicing his Shaolin Kungfu, Zhang San Feng entered into standing meditation. Extreme stillness produced movement. Soon chi flow resulted in graceful movements, poetically described as “flowing water floating clouds”, and later shortened to “cloud hands”. These cloud hand movements were stylized into forms which evolved into Taijiquan.

                      Hence, from this historical background, it was more likely that Double Tiger Claws evolved from Cloud Hands. This was also more logical from the perspectives of force training and combat application, than the possibility of Clouds Hands evolving from Double Tiger Claws. It was more logical and likely that the powerful flow of Cloud Hands evolved into the internal force of Double Tiger Claws, and that the simple strikes of Cloud Hands evolved into the more sophisticated chin-na or Double Tiger Claws.

                      If all other things were equal, in our school a Shaolin practitioner who practices Iron Wire and Double Tiger Claws and then starts practicing Cloud Hands would have more force than a Taijiquan practitioner who practices Cloud Hands from the start.

                      Let us compare the force of four students instead of two. Student A practices all the three arts. Student B practices only iron Wire. Student C practices only Double Tiger Claws. Student D practices only Cloud Hands. The range of students from having the most force to the least force will be A, B, C, D.

                      This is because Iron Wire is more powerful than Double Tiger Claws, and Double Tiger Claws is more powerful than Cloud Hands. The student who practices all the three arts have the most force because he has the benefit of breadth and depth.

                      As stated earlier, this does not necessarily mean that Cloud Hands is the least useful because it may have advantages in other aspects over the other arts.

                      The above comparison applies to our school, but may not apply to other schools. In other schools practicing different arts at the same time usually distracts from one another. Thus, a student who practices all the three arts would have less force than one who practices only Cloud Hands.

                      But if they practice the three arts as physical exercise instead of as internal force training, both students would not have internal force, but the one who practices all the three arts will be muscularly stronger than the one who practices Cloud Hands. This is because Iron Wire and Double Tiger Claws develop more muscular strength than Cloud Hands.

                      <End>
                      "From formless to form, from form to formless"

                      26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
                      Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

                      Website: www.enerqi.ch

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                      • #86
                        Dear all,

                        This was the last post of the Q/A serie to the Grandmaster on the Cloud Hands Grasp Sparrow Set.

                        I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did.

                        A big thank you to Sifu for answering the questions so amazingly!

                        I am looking forward now to the courses to put the theoretical knowlegde and philosophical backround into practice.
                        "From formless to form, from form to formless"

                        26.08.17-28.08.17: Qi Gong Festival with 6 courses in Bern:
                        Qiflow-Triple Stretch Method-12 Sinewmetamorphisis-Bone Marrow Cleansing-Zen Mind in Qi Gong

                        Website: www.enerqi.ch

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                        • #87
                          Dear Sifu,

                          Thank you so much.

                          Thank you Roland Siheng for posting and creating this great thread.

                          I can't wait to have my first taste of Tai Chi Chuan in the future.

                          Wishing all the participants of the course the best of luck!

                          Best regards,
                          Tim

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                          • #88
                            Thank you Sigung and Sifu for this amazing journey into the depth of Tai Chi Chuan and Kungfu in general.
                            I am very excited to be on the course next week .

                            Andrea
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                            • #89
                              Wow! And Thanks!

                              Dear Sigung,

                              I just started learning some Tajiquan and wanted to read more about Cloud Hands and Grasp Sparrow, and found this thread (amongst other great sources on your website). This Q&A is truly amazing. Your bredth and depth of knowledge, insight and wisdom continually inspires me and your generosity in sharing this knowledge is boundless.

                              We are very lucky to have you as our teacher and guide.

                              From the heart, thank you.
                              Matt
                              With love and Shaolin salute /o

                              "Your purpose in life is to find your purpose & give your whole heart and soul to it." - Buddha

                              Gate gate pāragate pārasaṃgate bodhi svāhā.

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                              • #90
                                PDF and EPUB of this Q&A are available here.
                                George / Юра
                                Shaolin Wahnam England

                                gate gate pāragate pārasaṁgate bodhi svāhā

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