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  • #16
    Question 1 Answer part 2

    (Continued from Part 1)

    The combat application of Xingyiquan is marvelous, especially against modern day fighters. Initially I thought that Xingyiquan exponents use their tremendous force to bull doze into their opponents. My study shows that while they press in relentless at their opponents,, they cover themselves adequately adhering to the principle of safety first.

    Let us examine some scenarios of you fighting an opponent in a free sparring competition.

    As soon as he moves in to attack you, or even before he makes the first move, you move in swiftly with a pi-quan, or palm-thrust, covering yourself adequately in your attack. In other words, in stead of you worry how to defend yourself against his Kick-Boxing or MMA attacks, you pass the burden back to him right at the start.

    All his responses can be classified into the following four possibilities:

    1. He is taken aback and does not know what to do, in which case you continue to overwhelm him with a series of pi-quan.

    2. He bounces away or retreat, in which case you close the gap immediately and overwhelm him with your series of pi-quan.

    3. He wards of your attack and is about to counter or is hesitant on what to do next, you slip away your attacking hand, cover him adequately with your other hand, and overwhelm him with your series of pi-quan attacks.

    4. He neutralizes your attack or counter attack immediately, regardless of whether he does so skillfully using no-defence-direct-counter or he sacrifices himself and meet your attack head-on to counter attack, you neutralize his

    This strategy is bafflingly simple. You just use one technique in a sequence to press in relentlessly. It is even better than the strategy I used in my young days when I sparred with many martial artists and remain undefeated. You can use techniques from other kungfu styles for this strategy, like the Black Tiger of Uncle Righteousness, but the nature of Xingyiquan makes this strategy most effective.

    In today’s low level of sparring, where combatants generously exchange blows, more than 80% of combatants fall under the first three categories. Of the 20% in the fourth category, 15% use straight-forward punches and kicks in their counters. Only 5% are capable of using sophisticated techniques like felling and chin-na.

    Hence, if you just practice a series of pi-quan 30 times daily for three months, taking care to cover yourself adequately in your attack, you will beat 80% of the combatants in today’s free sparring competitions! If you also spend some time to respond efficiently to surprised or die-hard counters of punches and kicks, you will be able to defeat 95% of your opponents. You can easily give yourself three months to test whether this statement is true.

    How would you respond to the 5% of sophisticated counters, like felling techniques and chin-na? In the past, where the standard of fighting was higher, the percentage was also higher.

    You don’t have to borrow techniques from Taijiquan or Baguzhang or any other styles. You can use techniques from the 12 animal-forms of Xingyiquan, or even from the basic 5 elemental fists themselves if you are skillful.

    Suppose your opponent grips your pi-quan with a double-hand chin-na, you can release the grip and simultaneously kick him with a dragon-form. If he attempts to fell you, you can neutralize his leverage advantage, grip his hands away and strike him with double tiger-palms.

    If he grasps your neck and executes a Muay Thai knee jab, you can deflect his grasp and knee jab and strike his groin or fell him with a snake-form. If he shoots in for a take-down, you can break his arms or elbows and strike him with double fists using an ostrich-form.
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    • #17
      An Extra

      Sifu kindly asked me to add an amendment to the first answer.

      In the list part 4 it should read

      4. He neutralizes your attack or counter attack immediately, regardless of whether he does so skillfully using no-defence-direct-counter or he sacrifices himself and meet your attack head-on to counter attack, you neutralize his counter and immediately continue to press him with your series of pi-quam.


      I think it adds more depth
      Sifu Mark Appleford

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      • #18
        Incredible profundity, insight and writing.

        Thank you Sigung.

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        • #19
          Dear Sifu,

          In Xing Yi Quan, there are 12 animals. Among them are the Dragon, Tiger and Snake, 3 of the 5 important animals in Southern Shaolin Kung Fu. Is there any difference in the external forms,the internal aspects and the applications of these animals in Xing Yi Quan when compared to Southern Shaolin?

          Many thanks for your time!

          Roeland
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          • #20
            Thank you Mark Sihing for posting Sifu's answers.

            Thank you Sifu for taking the time to answer our questions and enlighten us on Xingyiquan.

            Everytime I read about Xingyiquan my body is on goosebumps

            Best regards,

            Claude
            Love is wonderful, because anyone with love in his heart wants to see everyone in bliss, everyone healthy and everyone availing freedom. This is the state of a man who considers the world as his family. Such are the wise man, the great souls. (Shri Shantananda Saraswati)

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            • #21
              Dear Sigung,

              Thank you very much for answering these questions on Xingyiquan and increasing everyone's insight.

              If the floor is still open to questions, here is mine: Is Xingyiquan is well-known for any particular weapons, like Taijiquan for the sword, Baguazhang for its knife, and Shaolin for its staff. I've heard that Xingyiquan was associated with the spear, but I've not yet run across any modern exponents practicing that weapon.

              Thank you once again!

              Sincerely with Shaolin salute,
              -Fred
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              • #22
                Wow, the first answer actually is already mindblowing and so enriching actual practice and it covers in one go already some of my questions. Taming a tousand with one

                Thank you Sifu, looking forward reading more.
                "From formless to form, from form to formless"

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                • #23
                  Answer 2 Coming Soon

                  Dear Family Members,
                  Sifu is rapidly providing the answers to the questions. I am going to be releasing the answers every 5-7 days. This is not so I can read them first( although it is an added perk).

                  This is so the answers can be analysed and digested and correlated with peoples experience and skill base.

                  We have an exellent opportunity to study this art with Sifu at the Summer Camp. So let really get a deep and wide understanding of it and what we may learn

                  Roeland- I had the same experience when I read the first answer
                  Peace

                  Mark
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                  • #24
                    This is so the answers can be analysed and digested and correlated with peoples experience and skill base.

                    We have an exellent opportunity to study this art with Sifu at the Summer Camp.
                    Honestly, I am still digesting all of this incredible depth of information. In the spirit of Zen, this is so simple yet profound.

                    After when Sigung taught the Taijiquan pressing tactics in St. Pete Florida, I've thought about how to apply this strategy using the techniques I've learned in Xingyiquan and Baguazhang. In fact, I tried to mirror the Taijiquan pressing patterns I learned at St. Pete, but to no avail.

                    Never would I have thought to simply use Pi Chuan as an effective pressing attack. For those that have experience with Xingyiquan, Pi Chuan is an incredibly simple pattern to perform. Of course, there is the intent aspect of channeling internal force, but this skill comes easy to the Shaolin Wahnam school.

                    After reading Sigung's wonderful explanation, I've realized the the profundity of this pattern and Xingyiquan as a martial art. Wow.

                    Due to timing, I regret to say that I will not be able to attend the Xingyiquan course in the UK this summer. For those that are attending, I'm sure you will be amazed.

                    Thank you again Sigung!

                    Best regards,
                    Stephen
                    Last edited by DarkCosmoz; 9 March 2013, 02:25 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Questions and Answer 2

                      Question 2

                      Is the force generated practising Xingyiquan similar to that of the Iron Wire?

                      Tim Hoorens


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                      The force generated by practicing Xingyiquan is quite different from that by practicing Iron Wire. We may, for convenience, look at the difference from the perspective of the nature of force, the way it is trained, and the benefits derived from the force.

                      The nature of Xingyiquan foce is flowing, whereas that of Iron Wire is consolidated. If all other things were equal, Iron Wire force is more powerful. But this does not mean Xingyiquan force is less useful.

                      Indeed, Xingyiquan force is more useful than Iron Wire force unless the difference in amount of force is large. Having $1000 in your pocket is more useful than having $1200 in your bank. But if you have $12,000 in the bank, and you don’t have difficulty drawing it out when you need it, having $12,000 is better than having $1000.

                      Please keep in mind that the description here and elsewhere in this answer is relative. If we take the following four different types of force and line them up from the most consolidated to the most flowing, which is also the hardest to the softest, the progression will be as follows:

                      Iron Wire → Xingyiquan → Flower Set → Taijiquan

                      Hence, Xingyiquan force is more consolidated and harder than Flower Set force and Taijiquan force, or reversely less fluid and less soft than the other two. This is so if all other things were equal. We are not equal; we are elite because we have the magic of chi flow, the significance of which will be explained as the answer unfolds.

                      The orthodox way to train Iron Wire force is the force method. You consolidate energy to become internal force. Then you perform kungfu movements to let the consolidated energy flow. As an analogy, you accumulate money in your bank. Then you go to the bank to draw out some money.

                      The orthodox way to train Xingyiquan force is the flow method. You let the energy flow, and when the flow has become vigorous it becomes flowing internal force. Because the fist is frequently used in Xingyiquan, flowing force becomes consolidated. You increase your cash flow, and when your have more in-flow than out-flow, you save it in a bank.

                      In comparison, the dragon hand-form and the open palm are frequently used in Flower Set and Taijiquan respective. It is interesting to note that frequency in the use of the fist corresponds exactly with hardness and consolidation of the force. The fist is most frequently used in Iron Wire where the force is the hardest and most consolidated, and is the least used in Taijiquan where the force is softest and least consolidated.

                      Our chi flow gives us a big advantage in this respect. Instead of using kungfu movements to let the consolidated energy in Iron Wire to flow, which will take some time to have effect, we use our mind to let the chi flow with immediate effect. Instead of using the fist in patterns like Thrust Punch and Punch Below Sleeves in Taijiquan to consolidate flowing energy into internal force, which will take some time to have effect, we use our mind to consolidate energy into internal force with immediate effect.

                      Hence our students can feel internal force in an Iron Wire or Taijiquan course in just one day, other students in other schools will need a few months. We shall use this advantage of chi flow to generate internal force in the coming Xingyiquan course at the UK Summer Camp.

                      If all other things were equal, one can build more internal force practicing Iron Wire than practicing Xingyiquan in the same period of time. My earlier example of $1000 in cash flow and $1200 saved in a bank is not given at random. It approximates the amount of force developed in Xingyiquan and Iron Wire in a given period of time.

                      If one spends an hour practicing Xingyiquan he will generate 1000 units of internal force. If he spends the same hour practicing Iron Wire he will generate 1200 units of internal force. The same hour will give him 800 units and 400 units of internal force practicing the Flower Set and Taijiquan respectively. Of course he must be practicing correctly.

                      If he practices wrongly, the harmful effects are also in the same proportion. Wrong practice of Iron Wire will give the worst harmful effects, whereas wrong practice of Taijiquan will give the least harmful effects.

                      But for us, these outcomes may not apply. Because of our skills in chi flow and other advantageous factors, if other students can generate 1200 units of Iron Wire force practicing Iron Wire, our students will generate at least 12,000 units of internal force in the same given time period. Other people not exposed to our training may indignantly accuse us for being arrogant, but it is true. Students in our Iron Wire course developed internal force in a few days what other students would take months.

                      Will our students practicing Xingyiquan generate at least 10,000 unites of Xingyiquan force, which is 10 times that of other students. No, they will generate 12,000 units of internal force. Similarly our students practicing Flower Set or Taijiquan will also generate 12,000 units of internal force, which they can convert to Iron Wire force, Xingyiquan force, Flower Set force or Taijiquan force if they have necessary techniques and skills by attending the respective courses.

                      In other words, when a student has acquired 12,000 units of internal force by practicing Iron Wire, he will have 12,000 units of Iron Wire force. He will not have Xingyiquan force because he has not practiced Xingyiquan, as the techniques and skills of practicing Xingyiquan and Iron Wire are different.

                      But when he also practices Xingyiquan, besides the 12,000 unites of internal force that he acquires from Xingyiquan in the new practice, he can convert the earlier 12,000 units of internal force from Iron Wire into Xingyiquan, making a total of 24,000 units of Xingyiquan force. When he returns to Iron Wire, he will have 24,000 units of Iron Wire force. In other words, he has 24,000 units of internal force which he can use as Xingyiquan force or Iron Wire force.

                      This is the benefit of breadth and depth, which I believe is unprecedented in kungfu history. For other people, except kungfu geniuses like Bai Yi Feng and Pa Mei, training two arts at the same time would distract each other’s benefit.

                      It is easier to practice wrongly with Iron Wire than with Xingyiquan. The damage due to wrong training is also more serious in Iron Wire. Shaolin Wahnam students need not worry about this. Their chi flow will erase whatever harmful effects due to wrong training. But this can be a serious problem to those without the advantage of chi flow.

                      In terms of benefit, comparing the two types of force the solidness of Iron Wire force is better for combat, especially in bulldozing into an opponent but without neglecting your own safety, whereas Xingyiquan force is better for health. Of course, here we are speaking relatively and presuming all other things being equal.

                      Iron Wire force is also excellent for health, and Xingyiquan force is also excellent for combat A more skillful exponent using Xingyiquan force is better in combat than one using Iron Wire force, and a more skillful practitioner using Iron Wire force is healthier than one using Xingyiquan force.

                      If one wishes to break his opponent’s bones, Iron Wire force is more effective. But if he wishes to fell his opponent to the ground, Xingyiquan force is better. If he stays at his stance to fight, Iron Wire force is formidable. It is difficult for an opponent to break through. If he chases after a retreating opponent, Xingyiquan force is excellent, especially with Xingyiquan footwork. It is difficult for an opponent to escape.

                      In daily life Iron Wire force provides tremendous amount of strength for physical work. Xingyiquan force provides flexibility and agility. If you want to carry your wife or girlfriend in your arms, Iron Wire force is more effective. If she runs and you wish to catch her, Xingyiquan force serves your purpose better.

                      Xingyiquan force is superior to Iron Wire force in intellectual work. If you wish to plan a project or just enjoy reading a book, Xingyiquan force gives better results.

                      This is comparing Xingyiquan force with Iron Wire force. If we compare someone having Xingyiquan force or Iron Wire force with another person who has no internal force, the one with internal force will perform better than the other in both physical and intellectual work.

                      When practitioners have sufficient Iron Wire force or Xingyiquan force, they are unlikely to be sick, but if they are sick, if all other things were equal, those possessing Xingyiquan force will recover faster. On the other hand, it is relatively easier for one with Xingyiquan force to be sick or sustain injury than one with Iron Wire force. If they receive a same strike from an opponent, the Xingyiquan practitioner will be more injured. But he will also recover faster from the injury. Please note the word “relatively”. It is actually much harder for Xingyiquan and Iron Wire practitioners to be sick or injured than for ordinary people.

                      Those in Shaolin Wahnam who are trained in both Xingyiquan and Iron Wire will have all the benefits of both types of force. It is because we can covert one type of force to the other with our chi flow. When you chase after your wife or girlfriend, you use your internal force as Xingyiquan force. When you want to carry her in your arms, you use your same internal force as Iron Wire force.
                      Sifu Mark Appleford

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                      • #26
                        Wow!
                        Sifu Andy Cusick

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                        • #27
                          Amazing!!

                          I am speechless. Thank you Sifu for such elaborate and clear answers.

                          Best regards,
                          Claude
                          Love is wonderful, because anyone with love in his heart wants to see everyone in bliss, everyone healthy and everyone availing freedom. This is the state of a man who considers the world as his family. Such are the wise man, the great souls. (Shri Shantananda Saraswati)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Claudien S View Post
                            Amazing!!

                            I am speechless. Thank you Sifu for such elaborate and clear answers.

                            Best regards,
                            Claude
                            I completely agree with the quoted statement.

                            I've probably learnt more in these two answers about Xingyiquan than from hours of poring over books about that martial art. It shouldn't surprise me, but I still find it amazing!
                            I like making silly videos (including kung fu ones!) every so often on YouTube and taking pictures of weird things on Instagram.

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                            • #29
                              Dear Sifu,

                              Thank you.

                              Dear Mark Siheng, thank you for sharing.

                              Just reading the answers once already give such a clear picture in the mind. I think I'll be coming back to re-read alot of times though . This course is going to be amazing!!!

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                              • #30
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                                Dear Brothers,
                                Thank you for posting, Q+A 2 is brilliant . It really allows us to glimpse some of Sifu's depth.

                                I cant wait for the Summer Camp UK

                                Peace

                                Mark
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