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    10 QUESTIONS TO GRANDMASTER WONG ON THE IRON WIRE SET

    Hello all,

    As a preparation for the next Barcelona courses, Grand Master Wong has kindly offered to answer 10 questions on the legendary Shaolin Iron Wire Set.

    So you are all welcome to submit any interesting questions on any aspect of the Iron Wire Set and Sifu would select some of them.

    Answers will appear on this section.

    Greetings,

    Daniel
    Daniel Pérez
    http://www.shaolinbcn.es

  • #2
    Dear Sifu,

    Are there certain force training methods that are better to practice every day (or almost every day) rather than once in a while, and some once in a while rather than every day?

    For example, will we get more benefit if we train the Iron Wire Set(or part of it) every day, or if we train a spread of force training methods, training Iron Wire once out or twice out of the week, and leaving the other days for other things like One Finger Zen, Lifting Water, Siu Lin Tou, Flower Set, and others?

    Mark Blohm
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    -Grandmaster Wong Kiew Kit

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    • #3
      Dear Sifu,

      When practicing the various patterns of the Iron Wire set, what should be our state of mind?

      Should we simply empty our mind, or direct consciously the energy in various parts of the body (accordingly to the respective patterns), or rather use some other kinds of vusalization?

      Thank you for your time,

      Respectfully,

      Maxime

      Maxime Citerne, Chinese Medicine, Qigong Healing & Internal Arts

      Frankfurt - Paris - Alsace


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      • #4
        Sifu,


        What kind of practical results should one reasonably expect after, for example, one year or a few years of Iron Wire training?


        Thank you.


        Best wishes,
        Markus Kahila
        Shaolin Nordic Finland

        www.shaolin-nordic.com

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        • #5
          How does the internal force generated from this set compare to other methods in Shaolin Wahnam such as Golden Bridge, One Finger Shooting Zen, Three Circle Stance, Sinew Metamorphosis and The Flower Set?
          Sifu Andrew Barnett
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          • #6
            Dear Sifu,

            Thank your for making a treasure such as the Iron Wire Set available to your students!

            Wong Fei Hung had a long and legendary career as a fighter, a physician and a defender of righteousness in his community. Please could you comment on the effect of learning the Iron Wire Set from Lam Fuk Sing on his development and career?

            Many thanks,

            Andy
            Sifu Andy Cusick

            Shaolin Wahnam Thailand
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            • #7
              Dear Sifu,

              How would the force developed by Iron Wire be applicable to healing and everyday life? How would that compare to the force developed by Cloud Hands and Golden Bridge, and what would be the key differences in application?

              Thank you, with best wishes,

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              • #8
                Dear Sifu

                Why is the Iron Wire set so easy to practise wrongly, even by advanced practitioners in our school? Our students and instructors are, for the most part, very skilled in the art of relaxation and know better than to tense when practising any qigong or force training method. Is it because the Iron Wire set involves the making of unfamiliar sounds or are there other factors?

                Thank you

                Humbly,
                Wuji
                百德以孝为先
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                • #9
                  Dear Sigung,

                  It seems from the information available to us on the Iron Wire Set that Patriarch Tit Kiew Sam personally composed it as a crystallization of his extensive internal force training and experience.

                  The set that you have been so kind to share with us seems similar to the spirit of Patriarch Tit Kiu Sam's Iron Wire, in that it (to the best of my understanding) combines and crystallises your intensive experience of many useful internal force training methods into a balanced set, building on the established version of Iron Wire taught in Grandmaster Lam Sai Weng's lineage.

                  In what ways is Iron Wire as practised in our school similar to the Iron Wire of Grandmaster Lam Sai Weng's lineage, and in what ways does it differ? And more importantly, what unique benefits are to be had from practising our modified composition over the established one?

                  In gratitude, with Shaolin Salute,

                  Max

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                  • #10
                    Dear Sigung,

                    Iron Wire is so powerful! How come are we so lucky in Shaolin Wahnam to learn how to generate so much force in such a short time?
                    When does a practitioner need to practice Iron Wire and when should he prefer Golden Bridge?

                    Kindest regards, Anton.
                    Last edited by Anton S.; 3 April 2012, 05:15 PM.
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                    May all of you get the best benefits from what you do.

                    Anton Schmick
                    Shaolin Wahnam Germany Nord

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                    • #11
                      Dear Sifu,

                      How do the benefits of Iron Wire as a dynamic method differ from quiescent methods such as Zhan Zhuang?
                      It seems that quiescent methods form the foundation of force training due to the mind or meditational aspect.

                      Thank you,
                      Ish

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                      • #12
                        Thank you very much for your questions.
                        Now, the questions section is closed.
                        Tommorrow, I´ll start posting Sifu´s anwers. Meanwhile, you are welcome to continue asking good questions in the "10 Questions to Grand Master Wong on Lohan Arts and Bone Marrow Cleansing" in the Chikung section.

                        Greetings,
                        Daniel
                        Daniel Pérez
                        http://www.shaolinbcn.es

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                        • #13
                          ANSWER TO QUESTION 1
                          Grandmaster Wong´s answers to the first question! Enjoy it!

                          Question 1:

                          Are there certain force training methods that are better to practice every day (or almost every day) rather than once in a while, and some once in a while rather than every day?

                          For example, will we get more benefit if we train the Iron Wire Set (or part of it) every day, or if we train a spread of force training methods, training Iron Wire once out or twice out of the week, and leaving the other days for other things like One Finger Zen, Lifting Water, Siu Lin Tou, Flower Set, and others?

                          Sifu Mark Blohm

                          Answer:

                          In normal situations, a practitioner will get the best benefit practicing any force training method, including the Iron Wire Set, every day. This enables him to get the benefit of accumulated effect, which is essential in internal force training.

                          If one practices anyforce training method, including the Iron Wire Set, once a while, he commits a serious mistake known poetically in Chinese as “one hot ten cold”. No matter for how many years he spreads over his training, if he trains only once a while over the long spread of training period, he will not derive the desired internal force.

                          Except for us in Shaolin Wahnam which I shall explain later, both students and masters practice only one force training method at one time because they get the best benefit in this way. If they practice different methods at the same time, like Iron Wire once a while and other methods like One Finger Shooting Zen, Lifting Water, Siu Lin Tou on every other days, they will get less benefit as the different methods negate one another.

                          Here I am referring to someone practicing a particular method to develop a particular force. For example, he is new to Iron Wire, and practices it to develop internal force. But if he already has the force, like he already has a lot of force from his Iron Wire training below, he can practice different force training methods for review or for maintain his force.

                          However, if practitioners are not strong enough yet, or the force training is too powerful, they have to practice just a part of the method everyday. If the method cannot be divided into parts, like the case of Bone Marrow Cleansing, they will have to practice the whole method every alternate day, or one every three or four days.

                          The interval should not be too wide apart that the practitioners miss the benefit of accumulated effect. It should not be too close that their physical body does not have enough time to adjust to the new energy level.

                          Such subtleties are usually not known to students. Or even if they know them in theory, they lack the skills and techniques to make good judgment and adjustment. This is one reason amongst many others that internal force training should be attempted under the guidance of a competent teacher.

                          These “normal” situations may not apply to us because we are special. For example, while practicing only one force training method at any one time is the norm for other people, we actually get more benefit by practicing two or more force training methods at the same time, even when the force training methods are, for most other people, conflicting. This is because we gain from the advantage of breadth and depth.

                          In other words, while for other people practicing two conflicting force training methods, like Iron Wire and Taijiquan, will minimize the force derived, but for us practicing these different methods at the same time will maximize the force. The secret lies in chi flow, which we have but most other people don’t.

                          It is worthy of note that the terms “normal” and “special” are relative. Compared to other people, we are special. Hence, the advice to practice only one method everyday may not apply to us. But considering ourselves as an exclusive group, these special situations are normal. For example if our students practice two or more methods and yet get better result, it is nothing special, it is normal. To have another example, to be healthy and happy is special to most other people, but to us it is normal.

                          Let us now answer the question in relation to our situations. Are there certain force training methods that are better practiced everyday and some once a while?

                          The answer is no. We have become so skilful that we can practice any method everyday, or any method once a while but practicing other methods on the other days, and still get a lot of benefit – more benefit than others who practice the same method everyday.

                          For example, we may practice just Iron Wire everyday, or we may practice Iron Wire on some days interspaced with other methods on other days. We still get a lot of benefit.

                          This does not mean that the benefit is the same. Whether practicing one method every day or different methods on different days will result in more benefit depends on a few variables like the objectives of the training, the methods chosen and the developmental stage of the practitioners.

                          But generally, practicing the chosen method about 60 to 70 percent of the time, interspaced with other methods about 30 to 40 percent of the time will produce better result than practicing the same method everyday, or practicing different methods spread out equally everyday.

                          For example, if you have chosen Iron Wire as the main method for a period of training, you will get the best result if you practice Iron Wire about 6 or 7 days out of 10, and for any of the remaining 3 or 4 days you practice Lifting Water, Siu Lin Tou and the Flower Set. This is because in this way you benefit from both breath and depth, and accumulated effect of Iron Wire training.








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                          • #14
                            Wonderful question, and marvellous answer!

                            Off to Practice,
                            Charles David Chalmers
                            Brunei Darussalam

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                            • #15
                              Wonderful questions and an even better answer to question one. Looking forward to the rest of this thread.

                              Best wishes
                              Mark

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