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  • Leo Shaolin
    In this collection of advice and experiences on over-training Emiko Sije's article can't be left out!

    You can find Sije's wonderfully written reminder here:

    Best wishes,


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  • Mark Blohm
    Over-Training and How to Deal With It

    Over-training has become a serious issue in our school. It is important to recognise it and to know what to do when it occurs.

    Firstly, it is helpful to understand our working definitions of these terms.

    Over-training means a practitioner has trained correctly according to how an exercise should be practiced, but the benefit is too powerful for his physical body to bear.

    In this sense, overtraining is different from wrong training. Wrong training is when a practitioner has not practiced an exercise according to how it should be practiced. Hence, he has no benefit or he has adverse result.

    Strictly speaking, or to split hair, if a practitioner has no benefit, we can cali it incorrect training. The training is not wrong, but incorrect. Therefore he has no benefit. This is the case of most chi kung practitioners.

    If a practitioner has adverse result, it is wrong practice. It is not only incorrect, it is wrong. Therefore he has adverse result. This is the case of many kungfu practitioners who sustain internal injury in their sparring.

    To split hair further, we can refer to over-training as wrong training. But for our purpose here, we shall differentiate the two. The remedy is different. To overcome over-training, we reduce the training. To overcome wrong training, we correct the training.

    Hence, we have four types of training — correct training, incorrect training, wrong training and over-training.

    Over-training may result in over-cleansing. The former is the cause, and the latter is the effect. As an analogy, you may earn a lot of money, then you become wealthy. Earning a lot of money is the cause, becoming wealthy is the effect.

    Over-training may also result in over-building and over-nourishing, but these are not explained here so as not to confuse you.

    How do you know you have over-trained. One good way is that you experience over-cleansing. Before this happened, you might experience strong benefits. Then you feel tired and sleepy. Sometimes you may feel anxious, fearful or angry. This happens when your negative emotions are flushed out of your body faster than you find tolerable. Sometimes you have rashes, pimples or are smelly.

    There are a few ways to reduce over-training, which will in turn reduce over-cleansing. Please take note that there may be a time-lapse between the two.
    1. Reduce the time of training.
    2. Reduce the intensity of training.
    3. Expend your energy in wholesome activities.
    4. Stop training for some time.
    5. Perform negative actions.

    If you train for half an hour a day, reduce it to 15 minutes. If you train everyday, reduce it to once in two days. But as our training time is short, and we enjoy our training, a more useful method is to reduce the intensity of our training.

    An excellent way to reduce the intensity of training is not to enter deeply into a chi kung state of mind. Please take note that even when we do not want to enter deeply into a chi kung state of mind, because of our habitual training, we will still be in a deep chi kung state of mind compared to most other practitioners.

    Another way is to focus on your form, or purposely think of your form. This will distract you from your mind level.

    Spend time on wholesome activities. Go hiking or swimming. Play football or enjoy music. Roll about on the ground and jump about in the sky. Perform kungfu sets or sequences, focusing on form, not on chi flow, internal force or mind power. If you haven’t got a girlfriend (or boyfriend). get one, and focus on making her happy on a date.

    Stop training for a few days, or even longer. Use your training session to spend quality time with your parents. Read some good books, like “The Way of the Master”.

    You may even perform negative actions, like tensing your muscles or intellectualising during your training. But perform some gentle energy flow at the end of the training session to clear out negative effects.

    It is worthwhile to know that over-training is relative. What is normal correct training to a healthy person, may be over-training to someone who is sick. What is normal correct training to a master may be over-training to a student.

    It may also not be easy for some of you to realise how effective we have become in our training. The following facts may help you in the realisation. They are facts, not opinions.
    1. If a practitioner in another school can generate a chi flow after 6 months, it is good result. (I took more than 17 years.) Students who attended my Intensive Chi Kung Course took less than an hour. Roughly this means our students were about 180 times more effective.
    2. If a practitioner in another school can develop internal force after 6 months, it is good result. (I also took more than 17 years, and I was already known as a kungfu genius.) Students who attended my regional courses like 18-Lohan Art and Bone-Marrow Cleansing experienced internal force in a few hours. This means our students were about 180 times effective.

    Many people outside our school may concede that we are more effective. They may think we are 2 times or even 3 times more effective. Translated into income, if they earn 2000 dollars or euros a month, they think you earn 4000 or 6000. They will not imagine we are 180 times more effective. If it is just 10 times, you will earn 20,000 when they earn 2000.

    To have an idea of how much one should train so as not to over-train, I have suggested that he can get just 30% of what he got at an intensive or regional course with me. That would be enough for his purpose of overcoming illness or contributing to good health, vitality and longevity. In case you think that 30% is too little, let us work out how much benefit it is. If an average person earns 2000 euros a month, as you are 180 times more efficient, you will earn 38,000 euros. If you get 30% of that, you will earn 11,400 euros a month. Translated into chi kung benefits, if an average person practicing chi kung gets 2000 units of benefit a month, you will get 11,400 units, which is a lot of benefit.

    Wong Kiew Kit
    16th January 2016

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  • Branderplank

    Overtraining is the reason why I ended up at Shaolin Wahnam. I learned qigong from a DVD in December 2012. I felt chi flow the first time after about a week of practice. It was only form based and didn’t have the self-manifested part as our school. It felt great at first, but 6 months and a few flashes of light later the trouble started.

    Today I know the problem with that methodology was remote learning and the time spent in practice. There was no mention of possible adverse effect, the more the better. At first my energy levels dropped. I would come home at 6pm and go straight to bed. I lost my appetite and the desire to pursue my passions and hobbies. Life was all doom and gloom where most of my conversations steered to “the end is nigh”. I refrained from social contact and had chronic flu symptoms for months. My answer was to practice even more. The odd sensations were the worst. I couldn’t even perform the qigong forms correctly anymore since the chi external of my body was so “thick”, like syrup. There were involuntary movements, with the back of my neck in a constant flux of blocked chi trying to displace at random.

    September 2013 is when I realised it to be a faulty methodology. I searched for answers and came upon the website of a Shaolin Wahnam instructor. The emphasis on short practice sessions, overtraining and self-manifested movement made immediate sense to me. Due to my deviation at the time I couldn’t even perform the forms correctly. My body wanted to move at random, and watching videos of Shaolin Wahnam sessions displayed what my body actually wanted to do, yet I prevented in favour of pure form. I cut down my own practice to 15min per day and just allowed chi to flow at random, a revelation indeed. I realised my desperate need for guidance and a mentor. June 2014 I joined the Intensive Qigong Course with Sifu in Hawaii and the rest is history.

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  • Ronny
    It's 30 degrees outside and very hot today, so today is not a day to train, there's already enough hard energy around, no need to ad more

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  • sancrica
    Thank you :-)

    Dear Shaolin Wahnam Family,

    Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated. :-)

    Hopefully more and more Wahnam members will share their own experiences. I personally always learn a lot from everyone's stories and greatly benefit and enhance my life.

    With Love, Care and Shaolin Salute,


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  • Nessa
    Dear family,

    as Sifu has given so many wonderful advice regarding practice in the “Essence of Spiritual cultivation” thread, I decided to add a few lines here, as it closely relates to this thread.

    “We have become so cost-effective that students and instructors do not have to do their best to practice as I have taught. If they practice daily and attain only 30% of what they attained during the courses I taught them, they would have done well. This is almost a joke. “Ku lian”, which means “bitter training”, is the hallmark of all kungfu training, including my own kungfu training when I was a student. But now we tell our students, “Don’t worry! Don’t intellectualize! Enjoy your practice! If you just attain 30% you would have done well. If you try to do your best, you will be over-training.”

    And an another answer:
    “Hence, it is no surprise that many of our students and some instructors over-train.

    What are the signs we can use to say that we over-train?

    Over-training is the result of getting more benefits than our physcial body can cope. The signs are unpleasantlness, nausiousness, tiredness, pain and over-cleansing.

    Over-cleansing, which is a result of over-training, is a process where we clear away rubbish faster than what our physical body can cope. Rubbish includes bad cells, pain, sickness, negative emotions and perverted views.

    The signs or over-cleansing are similar to those of over-training, thus the confusion, such as unpleasantness, nausiousness, tiredness and pain, and may also include rashes, pimples, heavy breadth and body ordour.

    The obvious action to overcome or prevent over-training is to slow down the training. Slowing down the training can be achieved in time or intensity.

    If a student practices an hour a session, he can slow down by prcticing just 15 minutes a session. If he practices two sessions a day, he can now practice one session a day. If he practices everyday, now he can practice once in two days or three days. In this connection,
    it is helpful to remind himself that practicing kungfu or chi kung is to enrich his life and the lives of other people, and never to enslave himself to the art. By reducing the time of his training, he now has more time for other worthy activities, which previously he may mistakenly thought he had no time for, like spending more time with his parents or friends, or just watching clouds passing by in the sky.

    As many of our students and instructors enjoy our training, and also our training time is much shorter than what most other practitioners spend in their training, a more suitable alternative is to reduce the intensity of training to overcome or prevent over-training.

    To make our training less powerful so that we do not over-train, we do not go too deeply into a chi kung state of mind. Instead of spending a minute, for example, to enter into a chi kung state of mind, we just spend a few seconds.

    Or we can just go straight to our exercise without first spending time, even a short one, entering into a chi kung state of mind. Even when we do not purposely enter into a chi kung state of mind, we are still in a chi kung state of mind due to our habit, so we are still practicing genuine chi kung or good kungfu.

    I tried this method at a chi kung course in Madrid recently, and it worked very well. All students, including some fresh beginners, enjoyed an energy flow. It was not as powerful as other courses, but it was still powerful, and more importantly it best suited the needs of the students. The students were still fresh and energetic at the end of the course, not tired and worn out as in some other courses.

    For some students and instructors in our school, even not purposely entering into a chi kung state of mind at the start of the exercise may still be too powerful. The next step, in a descending order of steps described here, is to purposely perform the exercise at a physcial level.

    This is akin to but not the same as the step described previous to this one. At the previous step, we did not purposely enter into a chi kung state of mind, but might perform the exerise in a chi kung state of mind due to habit.

    At this step we purposely do not enter into a chi kung state of mind, and purposely perform our chi kung or kungfu exercise at a form level. This indeed is what most people who practice genuine chi kung and genuine kungfu do.

    But this is not what most people who say they practice chi kung and kungfu do. They perform genuine chi kung and genuine kungfu forms as gentle physcial exercise as as kungfu gymnastics. That constitutes more than 80% of chi kung and kungfu practitioners. Less than 20% perform genuine chi kung and genuine kungfu but at a form level. That was also what I did when I took more than a year to generate an energy flow or to develop internal force.

    When you perform chi kung or kungfu exercise at a form level, you are still performing genuine chi kung and genuine kungfu, and therefore still in a chi kung state of mind -- at lease some of the time and not too deeply. Our students and instructors would have no difficulty in understanding what I explain here. But many other people may not understand though they know the dictionary meaning of all the words I have used.

    Do you know why? It is because they do not have the experience of what I explain, whereas our students and instructors have. Another way is to say that the problem is due to the limitation of words.

    If a practitioner still finds himself over-training even when he performs the art or exercise at the form level, is to take negative action. He purposely intellectualize or purposely tense his muscles – not all the time but some of the time. When he intellectualizes or tenses his muscles, he brings himself out of the chi kung state of mind. When he is not in the chi kung state of mind, he will not get the benefits of chi kung or internal force which causes over-cleansing in kungfu. At the end of his practice, he must have a short remedial exercise to relax his mind and muscles.

    Besides reducing the level of training so as not to over-train, which is described above in descending order, one can also spend his excess energy in wholesome activiites. He can performs kungfu sets or combat sequences at a form level. He can also spend his time enjoying with his friends, family or with himself, like hiking, swimming, partying, traveling, socializing, reading and writing. He can also spend his excess energy on his work, like moving goods around in a shop or planning a marketing progreamme for his company.

    Deviating is getting harmful effects instead of benefits from one’s training. In a mild form it is not getting the result practicing the art or exercise is meant to give, but not suffering from harmful effects.”
    -end quote

    It is very useful to have a sound understanding of the arts we practice. So that when the situation calls for it, if we find ourselves over-training or over-cleansing, we can take remedial actions and still continue to enjoy our practice and not worry unnecessarily.

    The skill of keeping our practice balanced, so as to get the best benefits of our training, is a skill we can (and should) develop.
    When in need, your Sifu will always help and provide advice on how to best assess your own training.

    Best wishes,


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  • Matthew
    Thank you Santi for sharing this aspect of your journey with such clarity.
    It really resonates with me and is a topic of discussion in our class at the moment so very timely.

    Best wishes,

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  • Nessa
    Thank you for sharing your experience, Santiago.
    I am sure it will bring benefit to many people.

    Best wishes,


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  • Andy
    Very prescient and detailed post, Sihing.

    Sharing this aspect of your journey will help many people.

    Sometimes dialing things back to concentrate on just chi kung and just the basics is exactly what we need.


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  • Leo Shaolin
    Thank you for sharing your journey with us, Siheng!

    It is indeed not always easy to lower the intensity of our training, as we are getting deeper and deeper while our skills develop.

    I notice this also when I'm teaching. I'm not getting into a very deep state on purpose while teaching, but still on some days I get overloaded and keep my personal practice very short and on a low level (i.e. Dragon Strength on the form level).

    Yes, Sifu is indeed always there to protect us. We just need too really listen to him and follow his instructions.

    Best wishes,


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  • sancrica
    Madrid Courses, Over Cleansing and Over Training

    Dear Shaolin Wahnam Family,

    I would like to share with all of you a part of my diary and a review of the recent courses held in Madrid. I decided to post it here as I think that it can contribute to this useful and meaningful thread started by Leo Sidai:

    The storm has finally passed and I am glad that it did. I took some time in writing this post so I could share more in detail about the recent skill that Sifu has so kindly transmitted me in Madrid courses.

    Since some months ago, I knew that Madrid courses where going to be a great break through in my practice and journey. I felt that it was going to be equally important to the break through that Small Universe has caused in my life. I never imagined that it was going to be this way. That was a reminder on why I must go to Sifu’s courses with an open heart.

    This post is going to be a mix of ingredients that includes the recent Madrid courses, daily practice, over training and over cleansing.

    As many of you know, in August 2014 I came back to Spain. I just had to come back. Through the years I have learned that when it is time go, when it is time to move on, resistance to change only has caused in my life suffering and complications.

    I remember Sifu’s words when answering a question in his website. I think that it was about someone that wanted to go to Asia and fully dedicate to the practice of Shaolin Arts, become a monk and stay in a monastery.

    Sifu’s answer stay dormant deep inside of me, as many of Sifu’s teachings, until the time was right. Sifu was explaining that if someone just go and ignore all his duties and responsibilities there will be a time when God will tell him to go home. I didn’t understand then but I understand it now.

    Along my life, I have been travelling a lot and I have lived in many different places. There has always been a point when I had that feeling. God was telling me to go home. When I was denying that call the only thing that I could face was adversity and suffering. It is a very interesting feeling because I could experience that, when I was flowing with that call, only good things were happening in my life.

    So, this is the case with my return to my hometown, Salamanca. After 4 years in Ireland, God was asking me to go home. I was quite frustrated as everything was just perfect or so I thought. But after Small Universe Course, everything changed instantly. It is hard to explain but for those who have attended to this course will probably understand the feeling.

    Between May and July 2014, I felt a resistance in Ireland. No matter how hard I tried, everything was directing me to Spain and complications kept summing up. It was like swimming against the river flow. I was really frustrated because I could not understand why it was happening what it was happening.

    I had a good job, I was about to get an even better job at Microsoft, I could stay close to my lovely Irish Wahnam Family and I finally moved into a very nice flat just for myself. Life seemed perfect but something deep inside was telling me to go back to Spain and take a good break.

    When I am receiving a call in the heart it is hard to miss as it is a constant whisper that accompanies my daily life. It is a feeling and intuition hard to ignore.

    During all these years I have become very connected to God and I have learned to trust him with all my heart. Even when I could not understand I promised myself that I would trust God and I would open my arms and heart to everything that God is always willing to share with me.

    My return to Spain happened in the blink of an eye. It was just fast as a thunder. Before I could realise I was back in Spain after 4 years away.

    Only time could teach and offer me the big lesson that God had ready for me. I learned to trust God even more and I could understand after few months why I was taken away from Ireland and being asked to come back to my hometown.

    For that call, I have always felt incredibly grateful as I felt God’s endless generosity and, as always, he could see what I could not see. This also reminds me a lot of my relationship with Sifu as he can see what I cannot see and offers me what is best for me.

    Along the years, I have learned to ask God for the things that are best for me and not only for the things that I want as I know that I am short sighted and God is not. He can see what I cannot see. I think that this is part of the trust that I have gained during these years.

    After a couple of weeks living in my hometown I felt a big release. A heavy burden was just disappearing from myself. I then knew that coming back home was a blessing in disguise. As everything in matter of faith and trust, I was offered another big lesson on letting God take me to wherever is best for me. This also reminds me that the only difference I see on "Letting Go" and "Letting God" is just one letter.

    A lot of family healing has happened since I am here. It could only happen after having been in Ireland because it is in that stage of my life where I have received the courage and the strength to forgive. It is there where I have learned to give and offer what lies in my heart.

    Many times I have been willing to offer my love but I just didn’t have the courage to do it. Many times I have been willing to share what my heart feels but I just didn’t have the courage to do so. With the loved ones is always the hardest as old patterns usually jump in and it is easy to come back to what I used to be.

    4 years in Ireland has changed me forever as I could not be anymore what I used to be. It was the hardest challenge that I have ever had the chance to encounter. I then knew that God saw in me that it was time, that I was strong enough to step up into the next level of my journey. It was time to face everything and this could only happen in my hometown, Salamanca.

    It will soon become the most meaningful period of my entire life. And for that, I was going to need a big break in my life. I just needed a break but I couldn’t see how much I needed it. God could see and he gave me, as always, what is best for me for which I am very grateful.

    This break has offered me the opportunity to cleanse things that I wouldn’t have ever cleansed at any other place. I could only understand that in hindsight.

    My parents own a country house about 15 km away from the city where I live. It is there where I had my morning daily practice. As it is quite isolated, I could really let go as there was no one around to hear my Chi Flows.

    I was in the big need of those Chi Flows as I had really deep blockages that needed from the total let go. In the past, I could only have those Chi Flows in Sije’s house or in Sifu’s courses. I never had those Chi Flows in my daily practice as I could scare people around me so I always had to soften them a lot.

    It has never been my intention to over train or to over cleanse. In fact, I have always tried to be extremely careful with my practice as I saw within the school that over cleansing or over training could caused big trouble.

    I have always been very respectful with the Shaolin Arts and tried to follow Sifu’s and Sije’s instructions in the best way I could. Around 95% of my practices, since I belong to the school, have been just vigorous Chi Flows. I have almost never focused in Internal Force training as I knew that I wasn’t really ready and I didn’t feel well if I was practicing it in my daily routine. I wanted to fully recover my health before focusing on Internal Force training. I never urged in my practice and never tried to pursue power. Power never worried me and I never had interest on it.

    When practicing Chi Kung in my parent’s country house, my vigorous Chi Flows were incredibly vigorous and led me to very deep and rooted blockages. I never thought that Vigorous Chi Flows could lead to overtraining because I was in the believe that I was practicing the lowest of all kind of Chi Kungs practiced in our school.

    Somehow those Vigorous Chi Flows were making use of all the arts that I have learned within the school so far. I am not sure how it happened but it happened.

    When letting myself go, I could feel that I went very deep. I could release a lot of negative emotions as desperation, anxiety, deep hurt and pain in my heart, anger, frustration, deep sadness and deep worry.

    The country house has been the only place where I could totally let go as there was no one around. I think that this was one of the main reasons that led me to go so deep in my practice even when I was just doing vigorous Chi Flows and even when I didn’t mean it.

    As I was liberating big blockages, my practice became really powerful and cost effective and I then started to face something that I knew, sooner or later, I was going to face.

    In the past and in present I could not practice Taijiquan just because I easily over trained. I just didn’t know how to practice Taijiquan at the physical level. Seeing my Chi Kung practice in hindsight, it is clear that even when I was practicing Vigorous Chi Flows, I wasn’t able to make it less deep.

    When becoming more skilful in my practice I was reducing and reducing my practice in terms of time. But this wasn’t enough. I was then trying to practice once a day but that wasn’t enough either. I was thinking to myself: Santi, what are you going to do when you can reduce no more?

    I was hitting that point around 2 months ago. No matter how short or light I was practicing, I was over training. I could not practice Taijiquan though I love it very much. Even just practicing sports was leading me to over training. Chi Kung was sneaking into my daily life without me being aware of it.

    For example, while I was playing guitar, flute, piano or even writing. Chi Kung state of mind is very natural when one is playing music or writing as one is flowing and relaxed. That was another form of practicing Chi Kung even when I wasn’t aware that I was doing so.

    Now I am paying more attention to this Chi Kung state of mind after Sifu’s courses in Madrid. I can see that I was using it to perform many of the tasks that I do in my life and that I have to be very careful on controlling if I don't want to go too deep.

    Being in Salamanca has led me to a very relaxed state of mind and life. My Chi here feels at home and for that reason my practice is stronger even when I don’t mean to. I now wonder if that is one of the reasons why Sifu’s courses in Malaysia are always so different from the ones held in the rest of the world. Maybe Sifu’s Chi feels at home too.

    I remember doing a lot of gardening in my parent’s country house and after that I was having unpleasant over cleansing and I had to reduce my practice again. I was thinking to myself: How is that even possible? Well, I know now that Chi Kung is holistic and integrates in life and everything I do even when it is not my intention to do so.

    In one of Sifu’s courses I remember that Sifu was explaining that we could practice Chi Kung by using any activity from our daily life. I understand it now but not before. That lead me to over cleansing and over training even when it was not my intention.

    That, of course, affected my practice as I have never been able to practice arts like Bone Marrow Cleansing, Small Universe, Cosmic Shower or many other powerful arts that I have learned in the school. Thought I would love to practice them as they bring me great joy I had never been able to really practice them because they were too powerful for me.

    After Small Universe course Sifu advised us to practice Small Universe during the first 2 months often enough in order to become skilful in the art. When I arrived to Dublin I tried to include Small Universe in my practice. I practiced one day and it felt amazing. I practiced the following day and it felt amazing. I practiced the next day and I had the most drastic cleansing since I joined the school. I then decided not to practice Small Universe as it was obvious that it was too strong for me.

    Same happened with Bone Marrow Cleansing at the Bone Marrow Level. Only one practice was enough to start a deep emotional cleansing that led me to crying for 1 or 2 days. I then decided not to practice Bone Marrow Cleansing.

    In fact, this has happened to me with every single powerful art in the school. I was never capable of practicing arts like Sinew Metamorphosis, Cosmic breathing or Cosmic Shower as they were leading me to over cleansing. It felt good the first days and I then was hit by over cleansing.

    The only art that wasn’t leading me to overtraining or over cleansing was 18 Lohan Hands or 5 Animals Play and Vigorous Chi Flow. But I knew that sooner or later, as I was becoming more skilful in my practice, I was going to reach a time when the most basic and light art practiced in the school could get too strong for me.

    As I mentioned above, that moment happened around 2 months ago. It was in Madrid Courses when solution came to me. This is why Sifu is a Grandmaster and this is why I am just a student. Sifu could see what I could not see.

    Sifu was very kind with me as he took a lot of time and effort in teaching me how to practice less deep. I will be forever thankful because that is what I basically needed in my practice.

    Sifu has been describing recently on how to practice this skill at the forum and his website. I feel as a precious gift of immeasurable value to have received this skill by Sifu’s heart to heart transmission as this leaves no space for mistake. Sifu made sure that I wasn’t leaving that course until I had properly learned that skill.

    That is why I am so grateful. Sifu was very kind in coming by my side and personally transmit the skill until I was getting it right. Thank you Sifu for that. Thank you for always protecting and taking care of me. Thank you for giving me always what is best for me.

    This demonstrated me again why is so crucial to receive the skills from Sifu. Sifu made sure that I really understood how should I practice from now on. In fact, as I was a bit concerned that I was deviating from my practice, I asked Sifu what should I practice. He told me that I could practice anything but I just had practice less deep.

    Practicing less deep might seem simple and it is simple but not necessarily easy. An analogy occurs to me. When one becomes rich and is used to spend a lot of money, one gets used enjoy life spending a lot of money. If a time comes when one has to spend less money, one might have lost the capability of enjoying life when using less money.

    It is like driving a powerful car. In a highway, one can drive it at 120 km/h and it is perfectly safe but driving at 120km/h inside a city is just not feasible and it would be highly dangerous and risky. The skill that a driver has of slowing down or speeding up, depending on the road he drives, will make of him an excellent and skilful driver and will allow him to drive safely to destination.

    When Sifu transmitted this skill to me in Madrid courses I instantly knew that this is what I was missing in my practice. Sifu made me aware of the urgent need in applying this skill in my practice if I didn’t want to harm myself.

    I have always followed Sifu’s instructions in the best way I can. I must confess that this new skill is incredibly useful and it is taking me to the next level of my journey. It is liberating me from a heavy burden.

    This skill has allowed me to really practice at the level I need and I think that in our school this skill is going to be incredibly useful for students as practice is becoming so efficient that we are reaching a point where the risk of overtraining will become frequent if not the norm.

    Learning to practice less deep and at different levels is incredibly hard for me and it is taking me some time and a lot of effort.

    Seeing Sifu concerned about me made a big impact inside of me. After the courses, I came back to Salamanca and spend some time thinking about what just happened in Madrid. I decided to take a break in my practice until I was feeling my situation normalised. I also decided to spend my free time doing more outdoor activities, more physical work and spend more time with my friends.

    As mentioned before, it has never been my intention not to follow Sifu’s instructions but seeing him concerned about me made me understand that I clearly did not follow Sifu’s instructions and I am really sorry that I didn’t as I have a very deep respect for him and I only want to practice in the way he wants me to practice.

    I never thought that powerful arts like Small Universe, Bone Marrow Cleansing, Dantian Breathing or Cosmic Shower were sneaking into my practice without my consent. As I am now paying a lot of attention in lowering my level I see that they actually try to get into my Vigorous Chi Flows. I never thought of that and I never thought that it was even possible. As all the arts that we practice are holistic, they do. Being able to just practice Vigours Chi Flow and keep all the other powerful arts away results incredibly hard but I know that I will eventually get there.

    I consider the skill that Sifu has so kindly taught me in Madrid as the most important skill that I have learned this year. It might seem basic but I know that from now on it is going to be decisive for my development and it is going to keep me safe from trouble. It is already saving me from a lot of trouble.

    Thank you Sifu again for always taking such a good care of me. You made my practice safe and for that and all the things that you are doing for me I will be forever grateful. You are very generous and patient with me and I deeply thank you for that. Thank you for letting me be your student. That makes very happy.

    With Love, Care and Shaolin Salute,


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  • Leo Shaolin
    In his recent Q&A Sifu gave another very good explanation on over-training and over-cleansing and its remedies:

    You can find it here:

    Best wishes,


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  • Leo Shaolin
    Great to see you back on the forum again, Nick. I hope you’re fine.

    Thank you to everyone contributing to this thread!

    Many interesting experiences and advices can be found here.

    I hope many more will join to share theirs.

    Best wishes,


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  • Nick_R
    Hello. Its been a while since i posted.

    This forum is a such a great place to share experiences and advice.

    I have some experience with over cleansing and i wanted to share some advice..

    Listen very clearly to your Sifu. Dont worry dont intectualise and enjoy.

    Hope thats helpful.. and that i can contribute again sometime soon.

    best wishes to all..

    Kindest regards,


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  • Daniel
    Hello all,

    With the passing of years, I´m training less but getting more, normally I train 30 minutes a day, somedays a bit more...maybe I´m becoming very lazy

    The advice of listening to yourself is the key.

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