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    I found this on youtube and I wonder, is this at least somewhat tradional? I don't see much flash so I guess it has some tradional aspects.


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ivbC4eKqz7o
    Amituofo

  • #2
    great style

    Dr Tran,

    Cannon fist is really 'bland' without the extremes of new style dynamics.
    I haven't got past laojia (ist form) yet becaise it is so much more demanding if one has to do 30-40 repetitions a day. I can barely make it to 3 repetitions with my big belly! Anyway it is fun

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    • #3
      yeniseri,

      Well I really don't care if its bland or not. Just that its effective.
      Amituofo

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      • #4
        Yen aren't you talking about Chen style taiji Pao Chui?

        It is much different from this "Shaolinized wushufied Pao Chui."

        The Pao Chui I have seen (or Pao Quan) in Chen is much more explosive than this..

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        • #5
          Paging Dr Tran...

          Dear Dr, apologies to you (and all other virtuous Wahnam Warrior-scholars) for resurrecting such a long dead thread -- I have no idea if you even still post in the virtual kwoon.

          As my username and bio probably demonstrate, I am knowledgeable about Pao Chui kung fu. I decided to respond to this thread despite its ancient date in an effort to answer some questions for any Wahnam kung fu people who were still interested, and simply to set the record straight about this style for posterity's sake.

          The performance you have linked to is Shi Yong Xin performing Da Pao Chui.

          Shi Yong Xin's Pao Chui is better than most monks -- it is less flashy, fast and wushu-fied, and more combat effective. Shaolin Pao Chui has two forms: Da Pao Chui (Big Cannon Fist) and Xiao Pao Chui (Small Cannon Fist). Of the two, Xiao is generally the second taught, and more explosive. This is Da.

          You are right in your assessment that this is a traditional form. Pao Chui is one of the oldest styles still taught at Shaolin, and one of the few styles that has a traceable lineage through the years, unlike the majority of kung fu practised there, which is either re-created by the monks or modern Wushu. It is sad to say that most of the monks at Shaolin (that I have seen -- I am more than willing to accept there may be masters there that I have not witnessed) have superficially good Pao Chui without much real substance. This is not true of Shi Yong Xin, who is a legitimate expert in the style.

          A (very abridged) background from my as-yet-unpublished website:

          "Pao Chui Kung Fu isn't well known in the West. When it is discussed, it's usually as the advanced form of Chen family Taijiquan. Chen family Pao Chui probably came from Shaolin temple - Chenjiagou is close, and Pao Chui has been practised there for many years. While Chen family Pao Chui is outwardly different to Shaolin Pao Chui, the prevalence of explosive Fajin and similar combat methodologies mark them as fruits of one tree.

          That tree, if legend is to be believed, is Mount Emei (one of the three great homes of Kung Fu along with Shaolin and Wudang temples).

          In the People's Republic of China, San Huang Pao Chui is another well known off-shoot from the Shaolin temple that has been modified and popularised amongst the secular martial arts population. The legendary San Huang Pao Chui Grandmaster, Song Mailun, founded the Meeting Freinds Armed Escort Agency (Hui You Biao) which swiftly became the most prestigious security agency in China.


          In addition to Shaolin, Chen and San Huang styles of Pao Chui, the Shaolin forms have given birth to numerous folk styles, most of which practise the same basic curriculum with differences in movement and approach. There are also many arts that include Pao Chui routines, and some Pao Chui styles that have been inspired, though not actually derived from, the major styles listed above."

          I hope that helps a little. If anyone has any questions concerning the style, please feel free to ask me on this thread or in private message.

          Thanks,

          Ted
          Check out my Pao Chui kung fu blog and website to learn more about this ancient style:
          http://gmevans.wix.com/cannon-fist

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          • #6
            Thank you for the explanation Ted. I am always interested in learning about other Kungfu Sets and their background.

            Best regards
            Andrea
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Andrea View Post
              Thank you for the explanation Ted. I am always interested in learning about other Kungfu Sets and their background.

              Best regards
              Andrea
              Thanks Andrea,

              I'm browsing around the site, and really enjoying the quantity and quality of information here.

              Ted
              Check out my Pao Chui kung fu blog and website to learn more about this ancient style:
              http://gmevans.wix.com/cannon-fist

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