Dear all interested
I decided to start this thread, because Sifu Stier and myself differ in opinion on just what chi is. Please refer to Michael Durkin's thread on 'The benefits of internal force' to see how we started.
I do NOT want this thread to turn into an ego-driven argument. I simply want to discuss what evidence there is on both sides of the issue. I'm not even going out to try and prove Sifu Stier wrong. I just think it is a good subject to present our differing views on, so others can make up their own mind on what they think chi is.
Here is a brief synopsis and introduction to what has gone before:
In Michael's thread, Sifu Stier said
This statement comes from SifuStier's theoretical knowledge AND direct experience.
I say that Chi is not electromagnetic energy, and cannot be described in Western terms. My comments come from theoretical knowledge (I am doing a Physics degree) and direct experience also, although my experience is far less than Sifu Stier's.
I am already a believer in Chi. And personally, I would not like to be on the receiving end of a chi-charged fingertip just to prove it exists.
Has anyone here ever put a 9V battery on their tongue? It tingles, right? And that is because the electrical current travels through your tongue. I have had a similar experience in Chi kung, feeling this tingling feeling in my hands, especially during Pushing Mountains. This does not mean it is electrical energy flowing through my hands though. Electrical energy can take the form of an electric field, or can be transmitted by electrons. Electric fields cannot harm humans (and hence no 'discharge' to make me a believer), so it must be electrons that produce this 'electrical' energy. However, if you have electrons running through your meridians, then that is as good as an electric shock, damaging all your internal organs! This is quite the opposite of what chi does, in making them healthy.
Onto the 'magnetize' and 'sticking', just because one thing is attracted to another it does not mean it is magnetic. Magnets and indeed electrical energy attract each other. So does gravity. And so do the strong and weak nuclear forces in an atom. And so does Dark Matter, a form of matter not explained by science, but has overwhelming evidence for it's existence.
This is true. EKG's are used to measure the electrical voltage in the heart. This electrical voltage comes from the heart muscles contracting and electrical signals from the brain. The electrical charge does not flow around the body as chi does. It is localised. EEG is used to detect electrical activity in the brain and is, again, localised. MRI simply turns the water in your body to 'face' in a particular direction, and uses the inherent magnetic field in atoms. Again, this does not flow around the body as chi does.
On a side note, MRI was devloped at my university by Sir Peter Mansfield, who won last year's Nobel prize in medicine. This has no relevance to the discussion, and I'm just bragging now
What I do believe, however, is that chi can manifest as electrical or magnetic energy. I do not believe it to be electrical, nor magnetic, at it's fundamental level.
I sure hope so. I aspire to reach it.
I invite Sifu Stier to put his thoughts forward, and indeed anyone else who has any comments.
Thank you for taking the time to read, it has taken long enough to write!
Warm regards to all
Alex
I decided to start this thread, because Sifu Stier and myself differ in opinion on just what chi is. Please refer to Michael Durkin's thread on 'The benefits of internal force' to see how we started.
I do NOT want this thread to turn into an ego-driven argument. I simply want to discuss what evidence there is on both sides of the issue. I'm not even going out to try and prove Sifu Stier wrong. I just think it is a good subject to present our differing views on, so others can make up their own mind on what they think chi is.
Here is a brief synopsis and introduction to what has gone before:
In Michael's thread, Sifu Stier said
Originally posted by SifuStier
I say that Chi is not electromagnetic energy, and cannot be described in Western terms. My comments come from theoretical knowledge (I am doing a Physics degree) and direct experience also, although my experience is far less than Sifu Stier's.
Originally posted by SifuStier
Has anyone here ever put a 9V battery on their tongue? It tingles, right? And that is because the electrical current travels through your tongue. I have had a similar experience in Chi kung, feeling this tingling feeling in my hands, especially during Pushing Mountains. This does not mean it is electrical energy flowing through my hands though. Electrical energy can take the form of an electric field, or can be transmitted by electrons. Electric fields cannot harm humans (and hence no 'discharge' to make me a believer), so it must be electrons that produce this 'electrical' energy. However, if you have electrons running through your meridians, then that is as good as an electric shock, damaging all your internal organs! This is quite the opposite of what chi does, in making them healthy.
Onto the 'magnetize' and 'sticking', just because one thing is attracted to another it does not mean it is magnetic. Magnets and indeed electrical energy attract each other. So does gravity. And so do the strong and weak nuclear forces in an atom. And so does Dark Matter, a form of matter not explained by science, but has overwhelming evidence for it's existence.
Originally posted by SifuStier
On a side note, MRI was devloped at my university by Sir Peter Mansfield, who won last year's Nobel prize in medicine. This has no relevance to the discussion, and I'm just bragging now
What I do believe, however, is that chi can manifest as electrical or magnetic energy. I do not believe it to be electrical, nor magnetic, at it's fundamental level.
Originally posted by SifuStier
I invite Sifu Stier to put his thoughts forward, and indeed anyone else who has any comments.
Thank you for taking the time to read, it has taken long enough to write!
Warm regards to all
Alex
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