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    Greeting to Grandmaster Wong, Mr. Damian Kissey (senior disciple of grand master) and fellow masters/teachers.

    I am very impressed with the chi kung courses organized in Sabah and Penang this year. I am 38 yrs old man living in johor and suffering from almost half dozen illness which getting worse by time instead of reacting positively to the medications prescribed by my specialists in a private hospital.

    Btw, i'm a MUSLIM individual and with all do respect I'm very interested with this chi kung healing practice. However i get confused that practicing chi kung is actually communicating with jins/satan to help us get rid of our illness? besides, do we have to recite some mantra? also, i want to know what does it mean by connecting with cosmos and at higher level we can unite/connect with god? in addition, from what i read on the internet varies sources that, it can cause anxiety or mental disorder if we cant control this power, and what is this power actually is?

    Again, with much respect i just need some clarification and guidance from your side on my questions above if you don't mind to share. looking forward for ur reply and comment guys.

    Thank You very much.

    Greeting,
    Zakarian B. Zain

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    I have deleted the other 3 copies of this post in other threads and moved this copy here. Please post your questions in the appropriate sections and threads or create a thread (as I have now done on your behalf) for new questions or information.

    Thank you.
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    • #3
      One hour of Chi Kung

      Dear Zakarian,

      Thank you for airing your concerns.

      I base my understanding of Chi Kung on my own personal experience.

      Chi Kung is completely non-religious in nature, however it is spiritual.

      In my opinion Chi Kung helps us to discover for ourselves the wisdom of all religions, and as such enhances our faith:


      When the mind is tranquil, perfect joy comes to the one of discipline
      - Krishna
      The Kingdom of Heaven is within you
      - Jesus
      "A trained mind brings health and happiness
      - The Buddha
      Through the self one contemplates the Self
      - Lao Tzu
      One hour of meditation is better than 70 years of worship
      - Muhammad

      If I was looking at Chi Kung from a scientific perspective instead:

      Chi Kung means Energy Art,

      Energy is life,

      Chi Kung is therefore Art of Life, and the results of one's own practice demonstrate this

      Anymore questions, feel free

      الله يبارك فيك,

      Andy
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      • #4
        FYI, from Answers to Readers Questions Aug 2000, pt2:

        Arts of energy management and of combat are, of course, not confined to the Chinese only. Peoples of different cultures have practised and spread these arts since ancient times. Those who follow the Chinese tradition call these arts chi kung and kungfu (or qigong and gongfu inRomanized Chinese), and those following other traditions call them by other names.

        Muslims in various parts of the world have developed arts of energy management and of combat to very high levels. Many practices in Sufism, which is spiritual cultivation in Islamic tradition, are similar to chi kung practices. As in chi kung, Sufi practitioners pay much importance to the training of energy and spirit, called “qi” and “shen” in Chinese, but “nafas” and “roh” in Muslim terms.

        When one can free himself from cultural and religious connotations, he will find that the philosophy of Sufism and of chi kung are similar. A Sufi practitioner believes that his own breath, or nafas, is a gift of God, and his ultimate goal in life is to be united with God. Hence, he practises appropriate breathing exercises so that the breath of God flows harmoniously through him, cleansing him of his weakness and sin, which are manifested as illness and pain.

        And he practises meditation so that ultimately his personal spirit will return to the universal Spirit of God. In chi kung terms, this returning to God is expressed as “cultivating spirit to return to the Great Void”, which is “lianshen huan shi” in Chinese. Interestingly the breathing and meditation methods in Sufism and in chi kung are quite similar.

        Some people, including some Muslims, may think that meditation is unIslamic, and therefore taboo. This is a serious mis-conception. Indeed, Prophet Mohammed himself clearly states that a day of meditation is better than sixty years of worship. As in any religion, there is often a huge conceptual gap between the highest teaching and the common followers. In Buddhism, for example, although the Buddha clearly states that meditation is the essential path to the highest spiritual attainment, most common Buddhists do not have any idea of meditation.

        The martial arts of the Muslims were effective and sophisticated. At many points in world history, the Muslims, such as the Arabs, the Persians and the Turks, were formidable warriors. Modern Muslim martial arts are very advanced and are complete by themselves, i.e. they do not need to borrow from outside arts for their force training or combat application — for example, they do notneed to borrow from chi kung for internal force training, Western aerobics for stretching, judo and kickboxing for throws and kicks.

        In Malaysia and Indonesia, for instance, some masters of Silat — which is the Malay word for martial art and is usually practised by Muslims although non-Muslims may also practise it — have incredible internal force. Not only they can take strikes by iron bars and axes on their body without harm, they can inflict injury on their opponents from a distance without immediate physical contact.

        It is reasonable if sceptics ask, “If they are really so advanced, why don't they take part in international full contact fighting competitions and win titles?” The answer is that they hold different values. They are not interested in fighting or titles. At their level, their main concern is spiritual cultivation. Not only they will not be bothered whether you believe in such abilities, generally they are reluctant to let others know of their abilities.

        Muslims form a substantial portion of the population in China, and they have contributed an important part in the development of chi kung and kungfu. But because the Chinese generally do not relate one's achievements to one's religion, the contributions of these Chinese Muslim masters did not carry the label “Muslim” with them.

        In fact, in China the Muslim places of worship are not called mosques, as in many other countries, but are called temples. Most people cannot tell the difference between a Muslim temple, and a temple of other religions, such as Confucian, Taoist or Buddhist, because they all look the same from outside. The initiated will know: Muslim temples are called Qing Zhen Si, which means Temples of Purity and Truth.

        It is, however, well known that Chaquan, which means Cha Kungfu, is widely practised by Muslims. Chaquan is a style of Northern Shaolin Kungfu, and is as beautiful to watch as it is combat effective. It is named after a great Muslim kungfu master called Cha Mi Er, which is the Chinese pronunciation for the Muslim name “Jamil”. An other great Muslim master was Cheng Ho (or “Zhen He” inRomanized Chinese). He was the Admiral of the Ming Dynasty who led a gigantic fleet from China to as far as east Africa.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by zakaria View Post
          Greeting to Grandmaster Wong, Mr. Damian Kissey (senior disciple of grand master) and fellow masters/teachers.

          I am very impressed with the chi kung courses organized in Sabah and Penang this year. I am 38 yrs old man living in johor and suffering from almost half dozen illness which getting worse by time instead of reacting positively to the medications prescribed by my specialists in a private hospital.

          Btw, i'm a MUSLIM individual and with all do respect I'm very interested with this chi kung healing practice. However i get confused that practicing chi kung is actually communicating with jins/satan to help us get rid of our illness? besides, do we have to recite some mantra? also, i want to know what does it mean by connecting with cosmos and at higher level we can unite/connect with god? in addition, from what i read on the internet varies sources that, it can cause anxiety or mental disorder if we cant control this power, and what is this power actually is?

          Again, with much respect i just need some clarification and guidance from your side on my questions above if you don't mind to share. looking forward for ur reply and comment guys.

          Thank You very much.

          Greeting,
          Zakarian B. Zain
          assalamu alaikum!

          Qi gong (chi kung) is not for everyone so we have to be honest in what we believe and act accordingly. Qi gong shares some of the concepts with tasawwuf and as you know many consider it 'foreign' to the present focus of "submission to God". To repeat, qigong is not a religion but sadly, some dp attempt to cast it as such.

          If you have many diseases, then it is best to start with the medical practitioner. Perhaps the expertise of the medical practitioner are deficient (a guess, I do not know) but be aware of different medication being combined creating more problems instead of helping. Inquire of the hospital if they are aware of the drug combination you are taking as a learning tool for yourself and make them aware you are assessing their level of care concerning you!

          Qigong can be a complementary method to assist in the healing process but it cannot be the MAIN approach based on the half a dozen illnesses you mentioned.
          The qigong curriculum of Wahnam seems to be simple enough so as not to cause any adverse experiences so from that aspect you should be OK. If possible, check out waitankung!
          hoda hafez!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by yeniseri View Post
            Qigong can be a complementary method to assist in the healing process but it cannot be the MAIN approach based on the half a dozen illnesses you mentioned.
            Internet Troll strikes again.

            I advise readers to test out the efficacy of Shaolin Wahnam Chi Kung for themselves and not rely on the book knowledge of our guest.

            N.B. There are members of this forum who have recovered from more serious medical situations than that described by Zakarian through the practice of high-level Chi Kung alone.

            Indeed, healing of chronic disease which is not responding to conventional treatment is the forte of high-level Chi Kung.
            Sifu Andy Cusick

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            • #7
              Dear Zakarian,

              Rest assured, as Grandmaster Wong has told us many times, and as we have experienced ourselves for many years, Chi Kung is non-religious. There are no religious ceremonies or mantras.

              We have many Muslim students in our school, including very religious Muslims that have learned Chi Kung at Intensive Chi Kung courses in Sabah.

              I look forward to seeing you if possible in Sabah. I will be there in a few weeks time.

              Mark

              P.S. As our Instructor Andy has said, I would suggest not taking Yeniseri's comments too seriously, as he is not an authority on the matter. Genuine Chi Kung overcomes chronic and so-called incurable diseases. This is based on my experience, and the experience of many in our school.
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              • #8
                Hello Zakarian,

                To echo my brothers here, chi kung is absolutely safe. There is no communicating with jinns, satan or spirits to cure illnesses. Chi kung is energy that is as natural as the blood flowing in our body. It is a highly spiritual, but not religious, practice.

                A pious Muslim can use chi kung to enhance his spiritual journey.

                With Shaolin Salute,
                Lee Wei Joo
                http://shaolinwahnammalaysia.com/

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                • #9
                  zakaria,

                  Whatever your choice, a saying that notes “You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.”
                  Qigong has many good benefits and when we appraoch it humbly and without arrogance, we will see how far it can help us, if that is our goal.

                  hoda hafez

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                  • #10
                    Zakarian, I have taught many Muslims, including a world-renowned Muslim leader. I have also taught many Christians, including several Priests, Reverends, and Ministers. Chi Kung is both natural an non-religious.

                    Yeniseri, I wonder how you can explain results like these? Keep in mind that these results are TYPICAL for Shaolin Wahnam, not extraordinary. Results like these are being repeated all over the world by all kinds of people.
                    Sifu Anthony Korahais
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Antonius View Post
                      Yeniseri, I wonder how you can explain results like these? Keep in mind that these results are TYPICAL for Shaolin Wahnam, not extraordinary. Results like these are being repeated all over the world by all kinds of people.
                      There is nothing to refute or explain! When people are relieved of their disease, that is the only reality.

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                      • #12
                        Chi Kung and Religion

                        Greetings to Tuan Zakarian Zain ,

                        Is Chi Kung ( or Qigong ) allowed in Islam ? Thank you for this good question .

                        Everything good is allowed in any religion , including Islam as long as it does not contradict the Quran .

                        The Islamic National Fatwa Council of Malaysia ( Majlis Fatwa Kebangsaan ) has never ruled that chi kung is not allowed in Islam .

                        The Founding President of Guolin Qigong Association of Malaysia is a senior Malay Muslim medical specialist , Dr. Amir Farid Isahak ( MBBS -Australia, MMED-Singapore , MRCOG -UK ) http://www.superqigong.com/aboutus.htm .

                        An Islamic Medical Centre ( Pusat Rawatan Islam Al-Hidayah Selangor ) near Kuala Lumpur is licensed by the Malaysian Government , and their treatment includes chi kung ( Qigong Hidayah ) http://www.alhidayah-medic.com/qigong-hidayah.html

                        The Islamic Prophet Muhammad ( pbuh) pronounced: "Seek knowledge even as far as China".Muslims take great pride in citing the above hadith as it points to the importance of seeking knowledge, even if it meant traveling as far away as China, especially as at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), China was considered the most developed civilization of the period. “Tuntutlah ilmu sampai ke negeri China, karena sesungguhnya menuntut ilmu sangatlah wajib atas setiap orang muslim”.

                        The Founder of Waitankung ( a famous form of chi kung ) was a Chinese Muslim Chi Kung and Kungfu Grandmaster Tuan Haji Ali Chang Chih-Tung .

                        The world famous Admiral Zheng Muhammad He ( Laksamana Cheng Ho aka Haji Muhd Shamsuddin ) was a chi kung-kungfu master during the Ming Dynasty who visited the Malacca Sultanate in present Malaysia .

                        See how cheerful,healthy and strong are these gentlemen Chinese Muslim Hajis who are chikung-kungfu masters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GZjC...eature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=pzfeozkD0FI .

                        Seeking chi kung knowledge to get good health is a good thing . Our Shaolin chi kung originate from China . Our professional school teaches Chi Kung and Kung Fu as a wholistic program to achieve good physical , emotional and mental health to all good students regardless of race or religion . We have students from almost all continents in the world , from various racial and religious background .....including good Arab Muslims from Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates .

                        I am sorry to hear of your ill health but you can regain good health by putting in good effort in a good program , for example by practising chi kung .
                        In our chi kung practise , we are against and not interested to communicate with evil spirits / jin and we do not recite any mantra . Actually it is God who help us to help ourselves to get rid of illness and regain good health . Logically , evil spirits bring evil health.....that is why we are not interested in them .

                        Learning chi kung , like learning computer science or learning car driving , is good for practiitioners of any religion but a good student should learn from a good teacher teaching a good art . If student does not follow instruction or if teacher is not qualified or if the art is corrupted , then the student will get bad result : for example student does not know how to send email after 1 year learning computer or does not know how to reverse car after 1 year driving lesson or gets anxiety after learning chi kung wrongly . Actually learning chi kung is safer then driving a car . In our school we have very good teachers , very good chi kung program and good deserving students .....so we get good results .

                        Our students are obliged to respect the laws of the country and to practise high moral value ( which is taught by all religions ) . Having achieved good health through chi kung , we become a better person , better child to our parents , ourselves become better parents , become better citizens of a country and become a better Muslim / Religious person. Connecting with cosmos , at a lower level , means we breath chi/air in and out of our body in continuous harmonious exchange with the atmosphere/cosmos .....at a higher level , connecting with God means created human beings with reduced imperfections thru chi kung practise can connect better with The Creator who is 100% Perfect . So the power implied is non other then your natural birth right given to you by God .....only that , you have to put in good thoughts , good words and good actions to regain it .

                        I believe you are a good and sincere man : Pray to God for guidance . If you still feel uncomfortable with chi kung , it is OK .....i am certain that God will lead you in the necessary direction .I wish you all the best in your life's journey .

                        Sincerely ,
                        Damian .
                        Damian Kissey
                        Shaolin Wahnam Sabah , Malaysia .
                        www.shaolinwahnamsabah.com

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                        • #13
                          Dear Tuan Zakarian Zain,

                          Welcome to the forum and thank you for your most interesting question. You have received excellent answers from my brothers, and most especially from my Siheng (elder brother) Dr Damian. I wish you well on your journey towards radiant health. I might perhaps add that of all the places in the world where I have attended courses with my beloved Sifu, Grandmaster Wong (including Malaysia, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Spain, England, Ireland, Austria, Australia and Costa Rica), the courses organised by Dr Damian in Sabah are amongst the very best. What's more, there's an intensive Qigong course starting next week, the perfect course for you!

                          Dear Damian Siheng,

                          Thank you (yet again) for your wise words. I'm very excited about my upcoming trip to Sabah to learn from and train with you. I'm also looking forward to spending time with the amazing Kissey family.

                          From the Heart,
                          Jeffrey Segal

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                          • #14
                            hi guys,

                            thank you many many times for all your generous reply and comments. now i got the holistic explanation and convinced that its not against other religion. i will spread this to other friend who have health problem or those who want to have a healthy life to join as well. i will plan for penang course. i will contact the organizer for the event soon.

                            may God bless you all for your generosity and explanation based on trusted and proven source, fact and examples.

                            thank you..

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                            • #15
                              Dear Brother Zakaria ,

                              The upcoming course ( 19-25 th October 2011 ) in Penang is meant for training our senior students to become Chi Kung Healers or Therapist and is by invitation only .

                              If you cannot make it to the Intensive Chi Kung Course in Sabah ( 8-12 October ), there will be another similar course in Penang or Sungai Petani next year ( but date is not yet fixed ) . You may also learn from our nearby instructor in Singapore .

                              Best wishes to you and your family .

                              Damian.
                              Damian Kissey
                              Shaolin Wahnam Sabah , Malaysia .
                              www.shaolinwahnamsabah.com

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