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A week ago I bought The Art of Chi Kung and this is what happened

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  • Alexey Garshin
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    Hi everyone! once again) Visualization is good when Shen strikes... and these exercises of it do not demand if there is no specific goal... just use it for achievement of the correct purposes and if, you know as! For example, for accumulation of force or for treatment of bodies...

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  • Mikael
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    My practise is still going strong - perhaps even too strong. I've taken a liking to standing still with no thoughts and now I can empty my mind faster and keep it in that state for longer periods of time. My perfectionism with striving for empty mind started to make practise sessions longer and longer as I wanted to stand still until my mind and body was completely relaxed and empty of thoughts. I had to put a stop at that when I realized that a single session started to last nearly an hour. My mood and sleep improved after I cut practise to 15 minutes - most of that consisting of standing still.
    It's interesting that after chi kung movements, my body, or precisely my spine sways back and forth with varying speeds, but after that, when I calm my mind and stand still, my hips want to rotate horizontally left and right and the more I relax, the stronger rotations will be. If I focus my mind on lower stomach area, those rotations subside.
    I also still have these spontaneous swayings while standing normally and reading or watching tv etc while I'm somewhat relaxed. These swayings are now more horizontal rotations of my hips.
    Oh, and I've also practised that 100 days of abstinence thing. Now it's day 43 and things are getting really interesting. I've had this buzz around my tailbone area for this whole time and it seems to getting more strength and also now there's whole days when my whole body tingles with chi. I wonder, if I'm going to get a Kundalini awakening experience if I go on like this... Not that I know a thing about Yoga, but it would somewhat explain intense heat+fatigue+insomnia+food intolerance symptoms that I had for past 6 years until those slowly tapered off and are now more or less disappeared. Doctors sure couldn't find out anything else than me being very healthy.

    Edit: Damn these hips of mine. They really seem to have a mind of their own, but luckily I still hold dominion over my feet. Otherwise, I would spin around and typing this post would be quite difficult.
    Last edited by Mikael; 15th September 2018, 01:08 PM.

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  • Mikael
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    Today, something interesting happened
    I was relaxing at the start of my chi kung session and I felt my chi move quite strongly in my body, especially arms. I started to sway right from the start.. As I kept relaxing, I swayed more and more until it started to change into self manifested chi movement - and I hadn't done any chi kung moves yet! It was really amusing, but since I wanted to do all exercises, I 'glanced' with my mind on my lower stomach and movement slowed down. Then I did chi kung exercises and enjoyed chi movement for about 7-8 minutes followed by 5 minutes standing meditation and felt pretty good after that.
    Did I do it right? This is the first time I felt chi that strongly without chi kung aid. Sometimes my body sways gently on it's own, when I'm standing and reading something (I have one of those neat electric standing desks for my computer). Chi kung kickstarted it. I didn't sway before and chi flow was much weaker on those rare occasions when I tried to feel it.

    Update: It happened again now, one day later, as I was standing and browsing the internet. I felt chi in my arms and as I relaxed more, the current grew stronger and spread out. When I had the bright idea to close my eyes, my spine started to bend back and forth faster and faster and I felt lower spine heat up. Now I'm troubled with another question; if chi kung is literally energy work, and not encouraged to do during the day, should I also suppress this too strong natural chi flow when it happens between noon and 5PM? Could it be that even though I'm not doing dynamic chi kung, I'm somehow doing quiescent chi kung, though I don't understand how that is possible since I don't empty my mind or anything. I just read stuff while being relaxed and standing. I might stand hours in one spot while being in front of my computer. Oh, and no, my legs don't get tired at all, since I'm pretty well conditioned at this point!

    Update 2: Now it's been happening for 3 days in a row. I started to feel that, now familiar, feeling of chi circling in my body and as I relaxed my body, my hips and back started to sway and circle. It's not quite as strong as self manifested chi flow movement but definitely more than a gentle sway. I ended up enjoying it more than 1 hour and it feels like there's more in store for me. I'm happy as a dog with two tails and very awake. As it picks up the pace (if I let it), I find it hard to concentrate on reading since it feels so blissful at times. Even now, while I'm writing this, I'm starting to slip back to that circular movement. It ebbs and flows.
    I've been feeling pretty good overall and my sleep quality is improving.

    Update 3: 4th day and it all comes tumbling down. Last night I slept poorly and it mirrored how my day went. No spontaneous swaying today. I'll do just a bit of chi kung in the evening and hope that I get some proper sleep. Finding my limits, little by little...
    Last edited by Mikael; 20th August 2018, 03:13 PM.

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  • wooden shoes
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    Hello Mikael,

    The description of the Art you practise is for reading only. If you practise on your own, especially without supervision, then just do the patterns and don't add visualisation. If you were to take a class with Sifu you would find that the visualisation (and everything else) is so different from what you were doing and you would understand why it is not useful to train it on your own.

    I started with doing Lifting the Sky from the same book (though without visualisation).After a few months I took my first course with Sifu - and the difference was so great, just incomparable. I might as well have been playing tennis and thinking it was doing Chi Kung.

    So take it from me: keep it simple and don't do any advance stuff.

    Also, don't try to be happy. Just relax and smile from the heart. Don't focus on the heart. Just let it go. If the mountain pushes doesn't matter either as long as it happens naturally. Then don't focus on it.

    Good luck training and having been where you are : take a course with Sifu to experience the difference .

    Best wishes,

    Roeland Dijkema

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  • Mikael
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    Very well, I'll do as you wish. It's just puzzling that there's any mention of imagination at all - and it's a mountain of all things, commonly thought to be quite heavy. Even though I fought the mountain, I kept my muscles relaxed. Was it a bad sign that my body swayed?

    Update: at first, I didn't stop visualizing, but it kept bothering me so this morning I decided to just go with the flow. Every time I start first with relaxing a few minutes and then trying to be happy. Sometimes it works and sometimes not so well. This time it kinda worked and I felt chi flow in my heart area. I feel it often at this point and I'm not sure if I'm accidentally focusing there or if it's a good sign. I try to ignore it like other feelings, too.
    As soon as I started doing Lifting the Sky I felt really happy to the point where it was hard to do form properly. I mellowed out after that and continued normally. Pushing Mountains swayed my body as much as before even though I didn't visualize and only felt that my hands were warm as usual when doing this form.
    I thought that my training would be less effective without visualization, but it's not. However, now my problem has gained a Zen-like quality where an imaginary mountain, that I don't imagine, pushes me back.
    Last edited by Mikael; 12th August 2018, 06:37 AM.

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  • Andrew
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    Originally posted by Mikael View Post
    My practise has been going well, but now I have problems with the damn mountain! Every time I push it forward, It pushes back! The more I focus on the weight of the mountain, the stronger the effect is. Do I have to imagine an elaborate pulley system holding me still? Do I need put my back against a wall to stay upright? Joking aside, is it ok to bend from my knees a bit so that I can keep my balance? If I keep holding my feet straight, one of these days the mountain is going to win...
    No. Any visualisation must be gentle. Why not just let the mountain be for a few weeks. I know few people (including myself) who practice Pushing Mountains regularly with any visualisation at all. So, rather than "fight" the mountain, just be.

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  • Mikael
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    If you have read this whole thread, you should know that I already have the skill of chi flow and I can direct it everywhere. My problem is excessive movement caused by chi flow and there's no advice for THAT in the book.

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  • Alexey Garshin
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    It is fair!
    But the book is an instruction, for those who knows the equipment... understand me correctly!
    It is the textbook, but not skill...

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  • Mikael
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    Hi. If instructions tell me to visualize pushing the mountain and lead chi from my back to my hands, then that's exactly what I'm going to do. However, the book doesn't mention what to do, when the force pushes you back.

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  • Alexey Garshin
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    Hi!
    Don't complicate the practice artificially... just enjoy
    And visualization at Basic level - isn't necessary!
    Just derive pleasure, don't worry... also don't think of anything!
    Before to make something, wonder - What for?
    Good luck!

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  • Mikael
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    My practise has been going well, but now I have problems with the damn mountain! Every time I push it forward, It pushes back! The more I focus on the weight of the mountain, the stronger the effect is. Do I have to imagine an elaborate pulley system holding me still? Do I need put my back against a wall to stay upright? Joking aside, is it ok to bend from my knees a bit so that I can keep my balance? If I keep holding my feet straight, one of these days the mountain is going to win...

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  • LeeWeiJoo
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    Hello Mikael,

    Don't miss an opportunity to attend Grandmaster Wong's courses. My Sifu travels to Europe regularly. You can check out my Sifu's website at https://shaolin.org/ for details. There are also many excellent instructors in Europe as well, you can find a list at the bottom of the page. You won't regret it!

    With Shaolin Salute,
    Lee Wei Joo
    Enhancing your health, combat efficiency, mental freshness and spiritual joy through Shaolin kungfu, chi kung, taijiquan (tai chi chuan) and Zen

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  • Molly
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    Hi Mikael,

    Originally posted by Mikael View Post
    However, after I started to practise this chi kung, I discovered that, if I empty my mind, relax and induce this "normal" chi flow, it makes me sway lightly without any prior chi kung exercises, but doesn't lead to Self Manifested Chi Flow. So my long winded question is that is it ok to make myself feel this "lesser" chi flow intermittently throughout the day whenever I'm doing or not doing something since I've understood that chi flow "resets" the body energy so that it flows more equally everywhere?
    What you are describing is a technique we refer to as 'Flowing Breeze, Swaying Willows'. As Charles mentioned, it is perfectly safe to do from time to time during the day. It makes for an excellent reset button (and makes for a great way to refresh yourself during an airport layover without attracting too much attention).

    Enjoy!

    Molly

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  • Charles David
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    Hi Mikael,

    Short answer: if you are relaxed and focused, you will feel your chi flowing, and yes, that is okay to do throughout the day.

    Yrs.

    Charles

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  • Mikael
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    Thank you both for your guidance. I will absolutely go to a Wahnam chikung course, preferably to Sifu Wong's, when a suitable chance occurs. Meanwhile, I will follow your advice and keep my training relaxed, focused, happy and short. So far I've only done Lifting the Sky, Carrying the Moon, Circulating Head and Plucking star since I want to learn every form well before moving on to next one. I also keep Lifting the Sky as a default move in every set (there being 3 moves in total) since I understand it to be jack-of-all-trades kind of move.
    I have a few questions about chi kung that troubles my mind. First is about Plucking Stars. I've noticed that my lower stomach area or dan tien, I suppose, gets very warm after 3-4 repetitions, especially when my palms are facing each other. Is this ok? I focus on my hands, not on my stomach.
    Second question is about chi flow. When both of you mention chi flow, do you mean Self Manifested Chi Flow that leads to erratic movement? I'm asking because I can make myself feel "ordinary" chi flow under a second, whenever I want and I've had this ability for the last 20 years, but I haven't paid much attention to it and even forgot about it for long periods of time since it's not even a good party trick, if you are the only one sensing it! However, after I started to practise this chi kung, I discovered that, if I empty my mind, relax and induce this "normal" chi flow, it makes me sway lightly without any prior chi kung exercises, but doesn't lead to Self Manifested Chi Flow. So my long winded question is that is it ok to make myself feel this "lesser" chi flow intermittently throughout the day whenever I'm doing or not doing something since I've understood that chi flow "resets" the body energy so that it flows more equally everywhere?
    Last edited by Mikael; 28th July 2018, 11:09 AM.

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