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Crosshands
10th June 2006, 11:46 PM
I think this is the right place in which to pose this question if it is not I apologise beforehand. My query is about a Shaolin art called Xinyiba. This art is of great interest to me because I am a student of Yiquan/Dachengquan and the founder of this fist method, Master Wang Xiangzhai, learnt Shaolin Xinyiba in the 1920's at Songshan from a monk called Henglin (aka Changlin or Xianglin). Moreover, Master Wang taught that Shaolin Temple was the fountainhead of Xinyiquan which he said was the most orthodox interpretation of all Xinyi/Xingyi forms. This has always made me curious as to what Xinyiba actually is and how moreover it has influenced the development of Yiquan.

I have tried looking for information about Xinyiba but in my searching I have found only one place which claims to teach Xinyiba: The Shaolin Wugulun Gongfu Association (http://www.shaolinwugulun.org/home.html), and although their website goes into a little detail about the concepts behind Xinyiba they (understandably if it is indeed the legendary art they're teaching) say very little about its form. However, I have found some videos of the head of the Wugulun lineage Shi De Jian (http://www.shaolinwugulun.org/ShiDejian.html) practicing Gongfu. Trusting the Wahnam lineage implicitly I was hoping one of this message boards Shaolin masters could tell me whether or not what Shi De Jian is doing in these videos is Shaolin Xinyiba?:

Shi De Jian #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hX4CPDhmE&search=Shi%20Dejian)
Shi De Jian #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjHorxPJ72U&search=Shi%20Dejian)
Shi De Jian #3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxARA-k-cA&search=Shi%20Dejian)

Thank you

DarkCosmoz
11th June 2006, 01:09 AM
Hey Crosshands, welcome! :)

Keep in mind that I am not a Shaolin expert or a Wahnam Sifu.

I am not sure about the first two clips, but the third clip looks a lot like Monkey Kungfu. If you do a search on Sifu Wong's main website in the video section, you can find some clips of Sifu Wong performing the Monkey set. Although the form may not be the same, I think the essence of the monkey movement is there.

EDIT: Here is the link to the Wahnam monkey set: http://www.shaolin.org/general/videos-kungfu-sets01.html#monkey

Kind regards,
Stephen

Crosshands
11th June 2006, 05:10 AM
Hey Crosshands, welcome! :)

Keep in mind that I am not a Shaolin expert or a Wahnam Sifu.

I am not sure about the first two clips, but the third clip looks a lot like Monkey Kungfu. If you do a search on Sifu Wong's main website in the video section, you can find some clips of Sifu Wong performing the Monkey set. Although the form may not be the same, I think the essence of the monkey movement is there.

EDIT: Here is the link to the Wahnam monkey set: http://www.shaolin.org/general/videos-kungfu-sets01.html#monkey

Kind regards,
Stephen

Thank you Stephen and dont worry about not being a Shaolin expert or Wahnam Sifu I am just happy for some feedback. I figured that clip #3 was monkeyish and far more stylised than anything in Yiquan which made me wonder whether or not it had anything to do with Xinyiba. Still, I know there is something called Xingyi monkey and I'm also well are that Yiquan is Xingyi stripped down to its bare neccessities so if something doesnt look like Yiquan it might not be the best judge of whether or not its Xinyiba. At least, judging from the Wahnam monkey set it certainly seems to have a genuine Shaolin provenance.

Once again, thanks.

West
11th June 2006, 03:09 PM
If it looks like monkey, it could be Tongbeiquan. As with DarkCosmoz, I am not a Wahnam Sifu, but Tongbei is a neijia (internal) martial art, with a "monkey character", rather than monkey imitation. This is in the book of Lu Sheng Li, who studied under Wang Peisheng. They developed a 16 stance neijia method, drawing on bagua, xingyi, taiji, tongbei and baji.
Like I said, I'm not sure.

Crosshands
11th June 2006, 04:52 PM
If it looks like monkey, it could be Tongbeiquan. As with DarkCosmoz, I am not a Wahnam Sifu, but Tongbei is a neijia (internal) martial art, with a "monkey character", rather than monkey imitation. This is in the book of Lu Sheng Li, who studied under Wang Peisheng. They developed a 16 stance neijia method, drawing on bagua, xingyi, taiji, tongbei and baji.
Like I said, I'm not sure.

Most interesting, thanks...

DarkCosmoz
11th June 2006, 06:41 PM
Here is some Xingyi Monkey forms... I have yet to learn it:


This first clip appears to be Wang Shu Jin performing, though I am not sure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_CMrAoS85A&search=Xingyi%20Monkey


Clip #2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ67qaU22KE&search=Xingyi%20Monkey

Kind regards,
Stephen

Crosshands
11th June 2006, 07:00 PM
Here is some Xingyi Monkey forms... I have yet to learn it:


This first clip appears to be Wang Shu Jin performing, though I am not sure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_CMrAoS85A&search=Xingyi%20Monkey


Clip #2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ67qaU22KE&search=Xingyi%20Monkey

Kind regards,
Stephen

Appreciated :)