The Magus of Java

[Fat Sau]

Has anybody here read The Magus of Java by Kosta Danaos?

When I read this book I could not put it down. It tells the story of the author's experiences being taught by the current lineage holder of the Mo Pai Taoist sect, of which Chang San Feng was also lineage holder (also the only person to complete the 72 level system). There is also a great deal written of the past-master's lives, including the author's teacher (a level 30+ immortal). n.b. 70% die trying to pass level 3!!!

I am hoping to start Kungfu classes under Dan Sifu soon , and have researched the Shaolin Wahnam method. It is very interesting comparing the philosophies of the 2 schools (routes of attainment).

Even better I have found the author's organisation's website Wenwukuan

Comments?

[Fat Sau]

PS I have the link for the authors teacher setting fire to paper by touch. Normally I would think this just a trick. But there really is something about it. Check it out in Quicktime

Enjoy!

[Marcus]

Hello Fat Sau, I just got this book today, I've only had time to flick through it and I can't wait to find the time to sink into it. Some of the stories I've read are incredible.

[Fat Sau]

They really are incredible.

I have also read his second book "Nei Gong: Art of the Warrior Sages". This helps clarify/rectify some of the points raised in the last book. It then goes off on a tangent focussing mainly on the author's development and the common spiritual ground that various other religions and their sects share. I don't find it as enjoyable as Magus, but I believe has to be read to get a fuller picture. Plus there is some of Level 1 training divulged, if not sparcely.

There are some points that I would like to discuss in the Chi Kung forum.

On the website forum the author stated that by practicing cross-legged meditation and an art like Chen style Taijiquan it is possible to completely fill the dantian in five years. This seems a very long time.

This is a question like "How long is a piece of string?", so don't take it seriously. I realise many factors are involved, but if all factors are equal, how long do you think it would take to achieve a full dantian in the Wahnam school. When the Wahnam school has such expedient methods?

One thought I had was that the the Shaolin Wahnam method is based on different principles, eg dantian kept semi-permenantly open with energy flow until the flow has built up to a point where it is full. Thus aquiring the full effects of a truely open and full dantian. Is my theory close to the Shaolin Wahnam's School's Chi Kung philosophy.

Any thoughts?

Jon

[Marcus]

Out of my depth on this one, anyone else care to offer a reply?

[Antonius]

How many liters does your Dantian hold?

But seriously...this should be a topic for the Chi Kung forum. So who wants to start a new thread?

[Fat Sau]

Sorry guys, that was an ill-thoughtout rushed lunchtime post. After reading a bit of "The Complete Book of Shaolin" I answered my own question . I'm sure there will be more to come though hahaha .

Still. It's worth checking out the links for the wenwu forum and the Quicktime clip - the master is at the end of the clip. Apparently he was told that he would be filmed for research purposes. He cured one of the producers of an eye infection immediately by passing less than 1% of his power through an acupuncture needle.

I won't spoil anymore of the book for you Marcus.

Has anyone else read this?

[Antonius]

I'm reading this now. I'll comment once I've finished.

[Marcus]

share your thoughts

Hey Antonius,

I shall look forward to your thoughts on this book. I must say that I found it an incredibly good read and it caused me many questioning thoughts regarding the whole approach to the training of energy. It's one of the few books that I've read more than once and I must admit to being intrigued about the absence of information on Level 3.

Got to go Ollie's had a number 2 and I've realised that I forgot to bring the Nappies and wet wipes, oopps Ah, the subtle joys of fatherhood.

Marcus




Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Budda

[Fat Sau]

I'm reading this now. I'll comment once I've finished.

Looking forward to that.

Cyberkwoon had a lot of debates about this recently. However, the kids threw insults at the skeptics of the threads, and it all went downhill from there . Sher-fu Andreas, a member of the Mo-pai joined the forum to try and help answer questions (although he is limited in what he could say) he was treated quite badly in my opinion. He left the forum giving his email address to allow people to ask questions. His website is LungHuShan.

Andreas announced the news that Sifu Chang has now retired from teaching and healing (I beleive this is to do with the interest generated by the documentary and books). The most senior student will help the school's existing students finish their "training" (I take this to mean "level"). So far noone has achieved the infamous Level 4 coupling of the dragon and tiger or yin and yang (this person will become the successor of the system).

It was interesting to hear Sigung's response to the questions posed in the latest Q&As about this book.

Incidently after a car crash in Thailand my other qigong teacher recently visited a very powerful "Tok-tok doctor in Jakata" with a similar ability, who could channel huge amounts of electricity through his fingers. He said that the treatment was so short he could not take anymore, it was very intense. one or more treatments and he and his wife were fixed. He said it was hard to control his body (body jerking around, face shaking etc). He really wanted to ask the doctor whether he could set newspaper on fire at touch but declined (doh!)

Good Reading

Jon

[Antonius]

I read the threads on cyberkwoon. As I expected, it was a witch hunt. Even talking about basic energy experiences (like self manifested chi flow!!) will often get you ridiculed on other forums, so you can imagine what happens to people who talk about pyrokinetics and across-space striking.

Recently, I was browsing a forum where they ridiculed a guy who politely and coherently asked about selective breaking (e.g., breaking the bottom but not the top of two stacked, supported bricks). Actually, I considered posting a comment. Since I can break the bottom brick, I felt that I should answer some of his questions. But the people on the forum were just too rude. I chose to ignore them.

I thought Andreas was quite generous and clear with his comments. It would be nice to have him on our forum. He might also be curious to read Sifu's comments on the subject (http://www.shaolin.org/answers/ans04b/jul04-3.html).

Actually, that's not a bad idea. Maybe I'll write him an e-mail.

[mopai]

The magus of java

I've heard a man could set a pile of paper on fire with his nei kung. He is Chinese-Indonesian, and a very well known healer.
Pyrogenesis seems to be nothing for some people. But it coressponds to the level of power they have achieved.Pyrogenesis only shows how much power one has. But after that, he has all paranormal abilities.Seeing the future,karma,communicating to the death.I believe this help someone to know what karma is. Meditating will alter the practitioners mind. They become calmer, more dinamic,creative.
I will not say that tens of years of practicing nei kung just to set somehing on fire is a good thing.And other naive purposes. Indeed, we can afford a match to burn something.

I know I haven't witnessed pyrogenesis with my own eyes. But when one day I met this man, he could electrocute me with his power. So It could be possible that he is able to do pyrogenesis (burning things with his qi) which is written in a book (Magus of Java). Not more that 1% of his total power. Even some people said the strongest ordinary man could be knocked out with his bioelectric flow.
I want to ask why did he need a lot of time to get abilities like pyrogenesis, levitation, telekinesis, remote viewing, etc ? (More than 18 years).
The master said that what he did was nei kung. And nei kung is higher than chi kung. Nei kung deals with both yin and yang. Where chi kung only deals with yang chi.

But what I want to underline is the master used his abilities to heal people.Yet, he could kill people from more than 10 yards away with energy blast.
You guys have any opinions ?

[Antonius]

Welcome to the forum, mopai.

Have you met Sifu Chang? Are you his student?

[mopai]

Hello

Greetings,
I have already ask mr John to be his apprentice a few years ago. But he refused subtlety. He said he didnt accept any new students.
So I never ask him about that again.
But, he helped me a lot which I cant describe in detail here. In the past times, he healed many people with his abilities.
I hope in this forum, there are no insulting words where I used to get from
other MA forums. I know westerners are usually skeptics about eastern art especially regarding the mo pai lineage.

I just want to know what Mr Wong Kiew Kit's opinion about Mr John and his
lineage.

[Zhang Wuji]

I read both books too, and in fact, far from making me sceptical, they "softened" me for the more incredible feats I read about later on.

This lineage is very fascinating. I have been studying Chinese ideology for years, and Mozi was always sort of derided in favour of Kongzi and Laozi/Zhuangzi. Many Chinese scholars regard Mozi as some sort of very poor cousin to the above giants. Mr John (can't spell his Greek surname, please excuse me) was the first one to make me realise there was something more to Mozi than most Chinese think and this began my own research.

Actually, mopai, when I first saw your user name, I guessed you were sort of affiliated or at least a fan of these books. You won't get any derisive words from me - I am Chinese and am a fan of all the great Chinese philosophers, including Mozi, and I know that they were also excellent spiritual and martial arts cultivators.

I suspect the reason why Level 1 & 2 is hard for most people to attain has to do with the fact that most of the time people spend in meditation is wasted. My guess is Sifu's advanced students have probably attained them already because they are adept at building energy at the dantian. Never estimate the powerful skill of being able to "relax, and focus". So many of my fellow Shaolin Wahnam students have told me that they feel this perceptible ball of energy in their abdomen (and even I, the beginner feel this from time to time).

But I am honestly surprised at the author's lifestyle - not quite puritanical for a Taoist cultivator, but I guess his system allows it.